1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:49 am UTC

ggh wrote:Oh dear, this is embarrassing. I guess if you're going to deliberately misunderstand someone, you ought to be sure you actually do understand them in the first place.
You're embarrassed? Hah, I made you create something..... Sorry for making you do work on something that totally WHOOSHED over my head. lol. I didn't know at all if I had missed that post (apparently search is borken and not even your most recent post showed up so I gave up trying to find the VHF that you enlarged) since I haven't ketchupped at all, more like skimtchupped (which is a horrendous NewWord). In fact, I so skimtchupped that I didn't even really notice your post directly above mine. (I hope that doesn't offend you.) I was like "that cool colpix is on this page so I'll just say "neat job" and that will be clear as day, right?" *shakes head*

Anyways, onto the image you found. Neat-o. It's great..but actually your mix is better. I love the golden stick figures/trees that you added in. By desktop background I meant my phone. lol. It's small, but a little larger than the Time dimensions. So, anything larger would be fine.....until I need it on a real computer. ;) I encounter the phone's desktop more often than a computer's, so I'll be happy with whatever enlargement you come up with. Thanks!

But as punishment for causing this confusion, you could just not do this for me. :( It's okay. I can't have you making two well-done images for me. :P

Oh, edit, pope! As SkimPope (like skim milk only lactose intolerant), my decree is to do a quick skim of NP [your post count] and tell us your findings. If your post count is way higher than that, then write exactly that many words into a story for OTTers' enjoyment.

Second pope edit: Eh, to be nice, if your postcount is higher than NP then skim in on a NP containing that numbered post (meaning, there's 40 posts a page, then figure out the math of where that post lands). I'm sure most people are within 100,000 posts.....
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby adnapemit » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:08 am UTC

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Over 100000 posts of awesomeness! 2500 new pages! in just over 3 years.
I delurked 3 years ago today and 1498 newpages ago.
Also with my 200th(counted) post I also bring a pretty picture.

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Redundant:
Spoiler:
redundach*rp
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:15 am UTC

Hi, backwards time panda. Thanks for following my decree. Lovely new colpix.

NP 2016 starts with me as pope saying that I wanted to assign OTTers as body parts. Apparently I was the diaphragm. lol

I see the OTC Beanish and it looks pretty great. I haven't seen the images in a while.

Watermolpybison = watermelon + bison.

"brightly colored fools"...sounds like that could be us.

The morobu story. I don't think I ever finished that. :(

It turns out that I'm bad at skimming when I'm told to skim.... I just skimmed (for real) and I see that t1i was still going on, and a bit by SilentTimer. A lot of the oldies but goodies (OTTers).

Also, old images sometimes blow up:
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That used to be small. Some forum attachments have done that, too. Weird.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:54 am UTC

azule wrote:Oh, edit, pope! As SkimPope (like skim milk only lactose intolerant), [b]my decree is to do a quick skim of NP [your post count] and tell us your findings.
On page 1437, you were also pope, ED's hotdog was the talk of the town, and this happened:
HES wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Thanks for the siggestion

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NoMouse, I hope your new NaMFFS goes brilliantly!


lmjb1964 wrote:I'm about tobsee Wingishness and the Molpy#
I just got that. The first 7 times I saw it I just thought you were PUI. Oops. How was it?


I'll try to make that resize, azule, but I might wait a wee bit to see if anyone who internets better than I finds a version of that pic bigger than 1920 pixels across.


Ooh - wingish OTColoured, adnapemit! You make those little huts look so inviting. :)
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1190: "Time" - Time Revisited - np2554

Postby mscha » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:10 pm UTC

DUNGEROUSNESSES...
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Spoiler:
Wait for it.
(Colorization by ergman.)

Replay Time live here!

OTT Time Travel

AUTOMOME wrote:YO WAWLPY, I HEARD YOU LIKE GHOLPIES SO WE PUT SOME GHOLPIES IN YOUR GHOLPIES SO YOU CAN WAIT FOR IT WHILE YOU WAIT FOR IT

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:47 pm UTC

On page 1402:

  • BlitzGirl punsawed people

BlitzGirl wrote:Wow, that Database is getting more and more awesomeful, Sciscitor! Thanks for all the hard work! :)

slinches wrote:If he'd used a standard random walk, I think the sequences could end up walking2 all over each other making it more difficult to identify the sequences. <snip>

2Pun most definitely intended :twisted:

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THERE WILL BE NO MORE WALKING FOR YOU


  • Whizbang invented the OTT GPS

Whizbang wrote:
OTT GPS
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  • It was Earthling on Mars' birthday

yappobiscuits wrote:
Whizbang wrote:
Spoiler:
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Happy birthday, Earthling! I like Sailor LaPetite too!


  • And balthasar_s joined the Thread with a baobabish first OTTColored:

balthasar_s wrote:I just finished this 2873 colorization and could not keep it for myself until September so i took a photo:
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Spoiler:
color1.JPG

Edited because of a redundaspoiler fail.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:02 pm UTC

azule wrote:do a quick skim of NP [your post count] and tell us your findings.

err...

azule wrote:If your post count is way higher than that, then write exactly that many words into a story.

hmm.

azule wrote:Eh, to be nice

ah.

NP108 edit: Ch*rp! Off by one... These whirly time ripples are hard to steer.

Kieryn, mscha, k.bookbinder, higgs-boson, slinches, patzer, KarMann, Pfhorrest. This started as a list of how few names I recognised, but it became sufficiently long. Many other posters lost to Time, though.

Giallo wrote:New pic. He's taking away a flag. I don't know why, but this makes me kinda sad... :(

If only you knew the good that flag would go on to do.

On the correct NP (109), a wild azule appears and is only 2000 posts behind! Ketchup soon pastazule!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:36 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:BEGINNING THOUGHT TRANSMISSION FROM FEBRUARY 2015
Wowtrees. Just baobabs!

addams wrote:Look!
I learned a new button.
We'll make a computer programmer out of you yet!

Fun to see all the celebrations and ottifications! (And the ottification that is Celebration).

lmjb wrote:In other news, "celebrate" no longer looks like a real word.
There's no better word!

balthasar_s wrote:I managed to rescue the last STAF.
Amazifying! What mystical <computery stuff> did you pull to do that?

I too will echo the sheer wingishness of ggh's np2500. Love the way the golden sun on the horizon is picked up in the terrain and the drawings. Also love the VHF album art. (Does this count as being RN-naughty?)

azule - Steakish ZZ Making-of! So much there I didn't quite get (beesnakes in particular - that constellation had my mind in RN territory!) Those mockup sketches gave me much insight however. You truly merit the title "Bringer of the Light"!

@balthasar_s - love seeing the wheelstick development path. In The Neverhood, what was the role of that symbol? It is a treeish glyph.

For pope: My (pre-posting) postcount leads to the goat of NP107 - Kieryn (Whatever happened to him?) saying:
Kieryn wrote:...then by my calculations, we are looking at least 2000 more frames before full tide.
Well, not quite a "tide", but only off by a factor of 3/2, if we count the raft ride as the "peak" of the "tide". By this time the Book of Aubron had already been writ. The NP begins with
imagineddragon wrote:It's a graph!
to which I can only react: Neither bird, nor plane, nor even frog....

adnapemit wrote:Also with my 200th(counted) post I also bring a pretty picture.
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Pretty penis - I mean... picture. :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rakhal » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:21 pm UTC

And another milestone reached. Now at 80% (2002/2502). Exactly 500 pages behind the present :)

The epic rescue mission for the poor Bravebean is completed. His body is fished out of the cave and buried properly with reverence (and a cairn) outside. Hopefully Cueganzzle haven't picked up too many rads while doing that (slips a few RadAways through a portal just in case)
He was a great artist it appears and drew some really great sketches of the contents of the cave.. leaking drums full of radioactive material. Maybe this island isn't such a great place to be!

Meanwhile in the OTT we are marching through the 20th century. BirthyearNPs come and go for all the OTTers (including me of course) and just before the milepost we hit NP2000. 2 millenipages, and the MilleniMome is once again Blitzgirl!
Q04B is the new hotdog on the block these days. Everyone is trying to get Rosetta... then Lucky, then Amtoo/Beanette weddings, there's snakes, chirpies, cueless's and things flying around. Not to mention Lucky playing it himself.
Talking about hotdogs.. I think I've finished SCB..... at least as much as that game CAN be finished. Got all boosts possible to get at present, and all but 1 badge (not counting a couple that game bugs prevent you from getting). Just draining kittens on autopilot now. Oh well, more time for blitzing.

Back again at 85%
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:42 pm UTC

By decree I have made my first solo TimeTravel.
Oh, edit, pope! As SkimPope (like skim milk only lactose intolerant), my decree is to do a quick skim of NP [your post count] and tell us your findings. If your post count is way higher than that, then write exactly that many words into a story for OTTers' enjoyment.


oh, dear;
I have a very high post count.
sooo....I did the math ... different.
Spoiler:
Different is not always another word for Wrong.
I looked far back in Time. I looked at the whole page. I found ... words.
davidy22 and zachbarnett were still attempting to find the Meaning of Time.
Speculated meanings behind this comic
Spoiler:
- THEY ARE HAVING A BABY
- Randall died
- Increase Forum Activity
- To make the most posted forum topic something other than a massive flame war
- Publicity stunt
- Targeted Advertising
- Its just a freaking sandcastle... don't read into it...
- April Fools Leadup
- Taking a vacation and wanted something to keep our attention

I went back in Time to a Time when even Darkness was unknown.
MattTheTubaGuy wrote:Just a random thought, if it lasts long enough that night comes, I wonder if it will be possible to determine the Latitude, and possible locations (a beach facing a certain direction on the edge of a body of water)


A great many questons were being asked and answered.mojacardave, daef and peewee_RotA were puzzling through the Present and predicting the Future.
Maybe it's "population control" cue ball is holding... and we're going to witness wild sand-castle-sex now... %)
Cueball and Megan would set a record for the longest sex scene ever shown on the internet.

yes. I see mojacardave's point.
One movement every 0.5 hour ....
yes. That scene would hold the record for a very long Time.

I found, through Time,
Some of us have cleaned up our diction in Time.
Spoiler:
daef wrote:...great - now i've got to build a fucking sandcastle
MdN wrote:A sandcastle for fucking? :D Sounds fetish-y alright.
And; Of course, I found BlitzGirl.
Spoiler:
I predict that the One True Comic will continue until the end of Time!
You did it BlitzGirl!
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Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:55 pm UTC

addams wrote:
- To make the most posted forum topic something other than a massive flame war


Mission accomplished! :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gingercat » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:08 am UTC

As per decree:

yuvi777 wrote:I was just eating some noodles, when suddenly the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster spoke to me through His Noodly Appendage.
He sent me on a quest to leave LurkerLand and venture into a pirateforsaken forum thread, only known as Time itself. He told me I must deliver a message to the ancient Timewaiters who are said to live there:

"Cool religion you got there, let's be friends!"

His noodliness has spoken!
Ramen.

P.S. He also told me to build a boat, said something about sinking a sandcastle..


Did anyone ever get back to His Spaghettiness?

And we got an accurate boat prediction way back in NP237!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:06 am UTC

From Papal decree:

On NP 474, there was much rejoicing as Helper returned from an early sojourn to the basement.
The story of my life in xkcdmafia:

Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby DrSamCarter » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:52 am UTC

The disadvantage/advantage of being such an infrequent poster is that I have to return almost to the dawn of Time to follow the decree. This was well before I delurked (which didn't occur until the Time of the Fading), although I was following the OTT at that stage.

This was the time of the first mod-madness with all the chaos that that entailed, typified by "Things that be on my side for 600, Alex". The name "Time Waiters" was sanctioned, and a bunch of black pixels appeared over the sandcastle hinting at the revelation of a trebuchet.

Posting was fast, furious, and very confusing.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:35 am UTC

Thanks for following the decree, everymolp. Not bad at all. Not bad. Now if only we could go into the future for the next decree. :D

HES wrote:Ketchup soon pastazule!
I hope no one reads that as "pasta zule". Isn't that Italian? *looks up* "Pasta Fazool". Hmm.

addams wrote:I found, through Time,
Some of us have cleaned up our diction in Time.
I'm not sure what page you were on...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:21 am UTC

80.
I think it was page 80.
Spoiler:
You don't want to see the math.
I did not do the math correctly.

I punched the calculator for a while.
The number 80 had a nice ring.

A Story:
Spoiler:
My friend Evee.
I am proud of her.
I love her.

This story is one of the reasons I love her so dearly.

Evee has a good car, but no license to drive it.
She failed her last driving test.

(She attempted the test in an unfamiliar town.
She missed a Stop sign at a three way intersection.)


well...A few days ago, Evee was feeling 'down'.
It was her son's Birthday. Her first born son.

He was her only child with the Love of her life.
His father died young and he died young.

She loved them both so much.
They were both taken from her.

Her son's Birthday is a difficult day for Evee.
She said her prayers and Evee said she cried.

Then Evee washed her face got dressed and talked to her friend and neighbor.
They decided to go on a Road Trip. Evee has a car. Her friend has a license.

They invited another women or two and off they went.
They went to the Post Office, to Ika and a Craft Shop.

Then, they went home, tired.
Evee's stories make me laugh.

I can see them in my mind's eye.
Can't you?

Evee is 95 years old. Tall with snow white hair.
Her son, had he lived, would be 71 years old.

Evee may live her full alloted one-hundred years.
She lives in a nice place where she is safe and supported.

Now can you see it?
Three old women making a break-for-it with the aid of walkers and canes.
Three old women giggling, side seat driving and having a wild adventure by car.

It is The American Way, after all.

Spoiler:
My word count might be Wrong.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:32 am UTC

The micromolps are bringing me down. I'm upstairs in bed with a mild, mild fever. I don't like any fevers at all. I'm a wuss. The Little Wonder is downstairs watching Galaxy Quest.
"...and it exploded." heh. :)

I've read, I've enjoyed, but I'm going to need a clearer head before I ketchup post.

But this is bothering me right now, and I bet azule has some ideas, and maybe others too: What makes a word in Beanish? If a symbol is an idea and you string them together, when do you stop? There was this idea I think azule and maybe others had, that the last symbol in a word is the boss and the preceding ones act as modifiers. But then why would panther salve be two words?
And that very first question... two words.... How do you divide any of the proposed meanings into two words?

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Re: Time After Time: t-1_0001

Postby macraw83 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:41 pm UTC

[Blindpost=NP2369]

mscha wrote:DISENTONGLE...
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-- posted by newpixbot

Spoiler:
Wait for it again.

Yay, another TimeAfterTime!! Treeish!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:44 pm UTC

Love your Evei story addams! (Although I do keep wanting to read the name as "Evil") It has just the right number of words. If anybody disagrees, tell them you're using new math. New math is better than old math, because, well, it's new and shiny.

New math is strange. Infinity is big enough, why did they go off and make different sizes of infinity?

And then, they make infinity plus one be different from infinity when it used to be the same. That's surreal. Should it be?

addams wrote:I punched the calculator for a while.
The number 80 had a nice ring.
Let's see... you shouldn't eat cassettes, you shouldn't throw bicycles at robots, but there's nothing about punching calculators. So you're good to go.

Was 80 married? Engaged? Was it a class ring, or just a classy one?

ggh wrote:I don't like any fevers at all. I'm a wuss.
Do you know people who like fevers?

ggh wrote:What makes a word in Beanish?
What makes a word? As a kid I always wondered whether it was "right" to have two-word phrases in the dictionary. Words are like molecules where the morphemes are the atoms. But some molecules are ionic and some are covalent, and some are inbetween. So, what is a molecule? Even H2O isn't what it seems to be (iirc, it exists natively as a loose grouping of molecules, sometimes thought of as fleeting polymeric clusters or as a gel consisting of a single huge cluster that's hydrogen bonded).

Words are like that too, but different. (Interesting that we speak of a sea of words - thus words must be able to do what they want!)

For me, a desirable quality of a word is that it expresses a context-insensitive idea - that is, one which can then be combined with other words to yield complex ideas whose meaning is evident from the words that make it up. "Big red boat" is made up of three such words. "Duck soup" (soup made from ducks) is made up from two such words, but "Duck soup" (easy) isn't, because "duck" and "soup" aren't words by this definition (except etymologically). The idea "easy" does not come from "soup" or "duck" or any combination thereof. So, is "duck soup" (easy) a "word", that is spelled with a space?

Perhaps. OTOH, a quick throw to third might catch me out. :)

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Postby NoMouse » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:52 pm UTC

For decree:
On NP691, Cuegan are leaving the wowtrees and ggh has found a source photograph GLR used for one of the wowtrees. There was also a debate about some nested quotes involving BlitzGirl (who's still on her blitz at 657/691) and about some javascript or something I couldn't understand much without context.
Time. The final frontier. These are the voyages of Cueball and Megan. Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:40 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
ggh wrote:What makes a word in Beanish?
What makes a word? As a kid I always wondered whether it was "right" to have two-word phrases in the dictionary. [...]

Words are like that too, but different. (Interesting that we speak of a sea of words - thus words must be able to do what they want!)

For me, a desirable quality of a word is that it expresses a context-insensitive idea - that is, one which can then be combined with other words to yield complex ideas whose meaning is evident from the words that make it up. [..]

Well said (except for the parts I didn't understand ;) ). For a moment I thought ggh had me, but nope, it's possible for two word single words to coexist with single word single words. (hehe, redundancy.)

*cough* But I don't think "big red boat" can be considered a word exactly, because what about "big green boat"? Maybe we need a German speaker here to tell us why some of their words compound and some don't. (Or maybe that's a can of worms...)

To ggh, did you mean these two words: ᘊᒣᓭᐧᖊᔕ ᖆᘊᓭᒣᖊᐣᖗ [panther-salve]? Because later there's this word: ᒣᓭᐧᖊᔕ [cream], which they eat. As you can see the first word was modified with the "ᘊ" (which means special or big). The second word, though... Tresoldi lists ᘊᒣᓭᐧᖊᔕ ᖆᘊᓭᒣᖊᐣᖗ as "cream for-healing", so "for-healing" for the second word, in other words it's not part of the first word but an actual word phrase. Maybe other phrases are "cream for-eating" (the default one) and "cream for-spackling"...

I don't know why that doesn't make it part of the word, but I might have the same question when it comes to clauses and sentences. If I figure out a better answer I'll let you know. :(

(I'm still having a look at my constructed Beanish, ggh. I'll get back to you on it.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:44 pm UTC

azule wrote:But I don't think "big red boat" can be considered a word exactly
It's not. At least I don't consider it a word. It's three words. But they together express a concept that can be deduced from knowing those three words in isolation. That's what makes each of those three words words. (hehe - redundancy).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:18 pm UTC

Ack, I didn't read that right. I'll go back to the basement now.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:44 pm UTC

azule wrote:I'll go back to the basement now.
Noooooooooo! You'll miss all the chocolate!

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1190: "Time" - Time Revisited - np2589

Postby mscha » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:10 am UTC

THUNGUMMYJIGS...
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Replay Time live here!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:56 am UTC

ucim wrote:Perhaps. OTOH, a quick throw to third might catch me out. :)

Hehheh. :)

We throw things in words all the time that could be separate though. walked. We find it convenient to dump the fact that the action happened in the past in with the word. And then, there's German... but why stop there? How about Turkish?: sehirlilestiremediklerimizdensiniz (“you are one of those whom we couldn’t turn into a town dweller”). I wish I still had the book I got that out of - The Unfolding of Language by Guy Deutscher - maybe it would have some insights. I think I loaned it to someone. Speaking of a sea of words, Deutscher calls language "a reef of dead metaphors". Please oh please oh please let GLR not have read that book.

azule wrote:To ggh, did you mean these two words: ᘊᒣᓭᐧᖊᔕ ᖆᘊᓭᒣᖊᐣᖗ [panther-salve]? Because later there's this word: ᒣᓭᐧᖊᔕ [cream], which they eat. As you can see the first word was modified with the "ᘊ" (which means special or big). The second word, though... Tresoldi lists ᘊᒣᓭᐧᖊᔕ ᖆᘊᓭᒣᖊᐣᖗ as "cream for-healing", so "for-healing" for the second word, in other words it's not part of the first word but an actual word phrase. Maybe other phrases are "cream for-eating" (the default one) and "cream for-spackling"...
I don't think we know anything for sure. I'm not even sure water is water - I was leaning towards "imbibe" for quite a while. Might still be. It's a pet theory. I saw someplace that you thought that the wet part of that word was in the last symbol as well.

"Special or big" sounds reasonable, though noun marker still seems like a possibility, doesn't it?

Cream? Nope, I don't buy that one for a heartbeat. The only way that stuff is cream is if Amtoo is lactating.

I kinda like some of the other hypotheses better, especially mrob's and mscha's:
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mrob27 wrote:Based on the principle that the order of derivation should be chosen based on which gives the most believable conclusion, I translate ᒣᓭᐧᖊᔑᐨ as a species designation, of an edible plant that has medicinal uses, and ᘝᘊᓭᒣᖊᐣᖗ as "paste", or perhaps "medicinal". The mostly likely translation of ᒣᓭᐧᖊᔑᐨ is yarrow, an edible topical astringent.
Oh baobabs - your Beanish page is great! I've never been there before. I haven't really studied what people have come up with with Beanish, but I had heard the "cream" translation, and found it unsatisfying, given that I had seen neither a cow or a refrigerator with the Beanies. Then I came across this otherWiki page and this health-related one, which between them, put honey, curry, beer, pineapple and papaya on my radar. Yarrow... that'd be cool too. I guess I was hoping that the Beanies were introducing Cuegan to beer, but there just isn't any evidence of glasses... Maybe little ones? Jäger shots? (Oh dear... now I'm imagining the Beanies drinking absinthe late into the night....)

mscha wrote:As far as Image is concerned, I think it simply means ‘health’. As in “(to your) health”, “cheers”. (Or more literally in other languages, “Santé”, “Sláinte”, “Proost”, and many others.)
Alternatively, it could be the beanie telling Cugan it's “healthy”, whatever it is they're eating.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:46 am UTC

ggh wrote:And then, there's German... but why stop there? How about Turkish?: sehirlilestiremediklerimizdensiniz (“you are one of those whom we couldn’t turn into a town dweller”).
Dem dam furrinrs. They have different words for everything.

Perhaps it's a mistake to think of a word as "the thing between spaces". So, that Turkish utterance would not be a word, but a full sentence. It has subject, predicate, all that jazz. German doesn't do that. Where we say "tape recorder" (using two words whose combined meaning is evident, at least after the fact), Germans say "sound-ribbon-device" all run together. They use one word where we use two. ("sound-ribbon" is already a word; in English we'd just say "sound ribbon" (or "recording tape")).

ggh wrote: I'm not even sure water is water - I was leaning towards "imbibe" for quite a while.
Do you accept the axiom of choice? Given the corpus we have, I'm not convinced we could rule either one out. And the way language evolves, it could mean both. Consider the English word "drink". There's a verb (to imbibe liquid), the same verb in the command form, the noun for the liquid being imbibed, a specific type of liquid for imbibing (alcoholic is understood), and by extension, the entire sea (or any large body of water into which one might fall) is called the drink. One can drink in a view; liquid is not involved. And certainly we all drink from the One True Thread.

One could think of "drink" as "a word whose meaning is context dependent", but I prefer to think that there are many words, each with their own context-independent meaning, all represented by the same sound and orthography. But either way, the point is that a set of space-separated Beanish glyphs cannot necessarily be considered to "mean" the same thing in each panel in which it is used.

Not if Beanish is an entire language.

OTOH, the OTA may have restricted himself to a type of Upgoer Beanish. If we are to make progress, we kinda haveta go with that. Even so, I'm not convinced that we have a big enough corpus to divine the One True Meaning of each word. I do however think we can divine the general meaning of each of their locutions, primarily through context and what repetition there is. From this, we can create our own Beanish dictionary, which would be complete and consistent. The OTA's lexicon is also presumed complete and consistent. But they would be like unto Euclidean and Spherical and Elliptical and Lorenz geometries, with no way to tell which one is the One True Geometry, because they can all fit.

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1190: "Time": NO TURTLEMOLPY AT OTTERCON CAN WAIT FOR ME!

Postby thunk » Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:41 am UTC

ucim wrote:Perhaps it's a mistake to think of a word as "the thing between spaces".

Hence why most linguists think in terms of morphemes (fundamental units of meaning).

ucim wrote:And the way language evolves, it could mean both.

Of course, the Beanish language and lexicon draws from the traditions of their culture. So while we've almost got the broad-strokes meanings of the frames where it is spoken (especially in Tresoldi's posts), there's no secret decoder ring that will tell us the exact translation because it's a language, not a 1-to-1 cipher of English.

ucim wrote:From this, we can create our own Beanish dictionary.

That's what they did with the Lord of the Rings movies with Orcish--probably same with the extensions to Klingon.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:42 am UTC

ucim wrote:
azule wrote:I'll go back to the basement now.
Noooooooooo! You'll miss all the chocolate!
My understanding was that that's where the chocolate was. Oh, lookie, apparently they have internet down here now. 8-)

ggh wrote:I don't think we know anything for sure. I'm not even sure water is water - I was leaning towards "imbibe" for quite a while. Might still be. It's a pet theory. I saw someplace that you thought that the wet part of that word was in the last symbol as well.

"Special or big" sounds reasonable, though noun marker still seems like a possibility, doesn't it?

Cream? Nope, I don't buy that one for a heartbeat. The only way that stuff is cream is if Amtoo is lactating.

I kinda like some of the other hypotheses better, especially mrob's and mscha's:

I wish I had all my sources set up on like 3 screen. That would be nice and also helpful to keeping this all straight. Thanks for pointing out mrob's page.

But, first, I don't agree that we can't call that word "water" or "drink". I think, much as mrob says on his page:
mrob27 wrote:[..] there are enough clues in the comic itself to come up with a good match for everything.

To me this means that when GLR bestows upon us a translation, then that is an extremely undeniable possibility. That is to say, it's probably along the lines of Rosetta's double-speak. When she "when" and "from whence", it probably means both are possible and if that was a Beanish word, it would be just one Beanish word, but two Unglish versions. So, when Cueballs says "it could be water or drink", I think that meant "liquid" at the most abstract, i.e. "soda" if they had it. ;) Yeah, I thought, at a base level that the last character was "liquid" specifically, because it also appears in the Beanish names of the Seas. I'm also thinking that the first word is the main word, which is unlike English, where Balearic Sea and Ionian Sea have "sea" second, it would be Sea Balearic and Sea Ionian or "Sea of Ionia". Which is what happened with the word for "cream". Cueball calls that a paste, but that doesn't necessarily mean the food was a cream or paste. In fact, they ate it with their hands, so it's probably more solid. So, I'm okay with that interpretation by you... :)

I'm not sure I agree with all of mrob's or mscha's interpretations. The flower could be a possibility, but the wiki page only mentions the food as a spice not a main ingredient. I'd say that it would make more sense for Amtoo to call it a "cream" than to call it "chives" or whatever. That's from his page. I still have to read and understand the whole page, which I haven't done.

Tresoldi thought the "big" might just be a letter, "l" specifically. When the "letter" appeared in "ᑫᘊᘊ" then it made it a little difficult to see how that would be the base...twice. "Super super important" is how I took it, but it could just be a double lettered word, like "all". :(

I hope your plan worked. For me to chatter on about Beanish and not be in the Basement. :P

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ucim wrote:Perhaps it's a mistake to think of a word as "the thing between spaces".

Hence why most linguists think in terms of morphemes (fundamental units of meaning).
That word always trips me up because it sounds like morphine, which is a bad thing. I hereby decree (as a side decree that only applies to linguists in the OTT) that morpheme shall now be known as meanord. Meanord is a portmanteau of mean(ing)+(w)ord. It sounds like a "mean nerd", so there's still a bad part to it, but at least it's not a very destructive drug. ;)

EDIT4mrob27: I finally read the fullness of your page. Sorry for getting your point wrong. You were making (very) educated guesses. I still might not fully agree with you, but I also disagree with you less than I did. :)
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Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:01 am UTC

addams wrote:As we Celebrate a large number of Posts by Time Posters.
Spoiler:
Both the living and the dead.
(I'm looking through you, Neal).

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ggh wrote:I don't like any fevers at all. I'm a wuss.
Do you know people who like fevers?

Well, technically I do. AFAIK it's a way for your body to fight off micromolps and I prefer my body fighting off micromolps over dying of those micromolps.

And now the story. I'm not feeling very creative today so I delegated my writing to a computer:
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Re: 1190: "A Time to Write"

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:22 am UTC

azule wrote:Oh, edit, pope! As SkimPope (like skim milk only lactose intolerant), my decree is to do a quick skim of NP [your post count] and tell us your findings. If your post count is way higher than that, then write exactly that many words into a story for OTTers' enjoyment

I could cheat and produce some Hallucinations of a Time Accessor to meet the wordcount requirements... but that's lazy.

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A Storm of Steel and Steam: Book One: Chaos of the Mage Stones

Chapter One - In Which Charity Meets Skids

The crisp harvest wind whipped through the ripe ears of corn, making Charity Wilison shiver. While her blue and white dress covered her well, it was too thin for comfort in the sudden afternoon breeze. She'd been almost too warm indoors, though that was partly due to the fever which had plagued her most of the week. Despite her illness - or perhaps because of it - Mother had sent her out to the henhouse to check for eggs. She'd said the fresh air should do Charity good, while idleness would be punished, likely by a worse fever.

Besides the health reasons for sending Charity out, no one else was available to do the necessary chore. Father was leading a security patrol around the township, the eldest three of Charity's brothers were busy working in the fields, Mother was occupied cooking, and was in a delicate state which required her to stay out of the cold, two of Charity's sisters were supervising the younger siblings, many of which had their own responsibilities to dispatch, and another sister was helping Mother cook.

Only a month before, Charity had been in charge of the little ones. Father had found a match for her, so she would soon have little ones of her own to care for. Before that, she had wedding preparationds to make, so Mother had passed her responsibility down to Chastity and Chalice. She said they needed the experience, as they should have matches of their own within a few years. However, Mother was not allowing Charity to become slack, hence this trip to the henhouse.

The trip to the henhouse was not short, in order to isolate the noise and smell, but Charity did not run. Running was not ladylike. While it was tempting to try to escape the wind as quickly as possible, it would be simply scandalous if a man saw her moving in such an immodest fashion. It was extremely unlikely, but the risk...

Charity stopped, a few paces short of her destination. “Oh!” She hadn't meant to speak, and immediately felt foolish for allowing surprise to get the better of her. It was forbidden for a maiden such as herself to speak to most unrelated men, and the man she had spotted approaching her was definitely a stranger. Anyone known to the Wilison family should come by way of the road, to the front of the house. This man appeared to have come from the direction of the woods beyond the farm, and his clothes looked most unusual. Not that Charity meant to look, of course.

“Hello there!” the man called, once he was a few steps closer. “I'm glad to see a friendly face.”

Charity flinched. A chill ran up her spine, and it had nothing to do with either the weather or her fever. Everything about this situation was wrong. This stranger should not be speaking to her. His voice was all wrong. His clothes were strange. And now that he was closer to her, she saw that he was shaped wrongly too. As for his face, it was mostly hidden by an unusual helmet and a peculiar set of eyewear. In her panic and confusion, she forgot that she should not be talking to this stranger. “W... what...”

The stranger spread his arms, holding out palms which were empty, but gloved. “Hey, don't worry, you've got nothing to fear from me.”

Charity took a step back. The forgotten wicker egg basket slipped from her shaking fingers. Nothing about this made sense. Was he some kind of miner? Was he even human? “You... your...”

“Call me Skids. You got a name?”

Charity wanted nothing more than to flee to the safety of the farmhouse, but found herself frozen in terror. Her fever wasn't helping matters either. “Ch-ch-charity!”

“Really? How about a middle name?”

“Mary.”

“Right, Char it is.”

“What? I mean, that's terribly familiar! You ought to addres me as Miss Wilison! No, I should not be speaking to you at all!” Charity realised she had nothing to do with her hands, looked around frantically for her discarded basket. “I must go!”

“Sure, if you need to, but can you point me to the nearest blacksmith? I need to borrow some tools. And, uh... a horse and cart too. For fair pay, of course.”

“I really mustn't. I need to collect the eggs. Oh, I'll be late! Mother will...”

“Don't worry, I can help you out. It'll be nice to get out of this wind for a moment.” The stranger snatched up the basket and ran to the henhouse. “Come on, you look cold, Char!”

Charity strode quickly after the basket thief, taking care not to run. She noticed now that the stranger was wearing a backpack. “Bring back my basket,” she said indignantly, though she kept her tone moderate. Shouting was unbecoming of a lady. She reached the henhouse door and looked inside, though she dared not enter. To be alone indoors with a man would be unthinkably scandalous! “We mustn't... Oh!”

The stranger had removed the helmet and goggles. While the hair was as short as Charity had expected, the rest of the face was a shock. Although, given the other oddities, perhaps it should not have been. “You're a maiden!” Charity now entered the henhouse, there being no reason to stay out in the cold. The revelation didn't make the situation much less confusing or frightening, however.

It was the stranger's turn to look confused. “A maiden? You mean a girl, right? What's so surprising about that?”

“You're wearing trousers! Men's clothes!”

Skids rolled her eyes. “These are my clothes. And since I'm not a man, they're clearly not men's clothes.”

“But... your hair!”

“What about it?”

“It's short!”

“Yeah, the helmet plays absolute havok with my curls.”

“Why do you have a helmet?”

“Keeps my brain safe. Are you gonna help with the eggs, or just stand there asking questions?”

“Oh, right.” Only two eggs each remained to collect, as Skids had found the rest while talking. “What kind of name is 'Skids', anyway?”

“My kind of name. What kind of name is 'Charity'?”

“It's the name my parents gave me, of course. Why?”

“Never mind. About that blacksmith. You got those directions?”

“If you keep going the way you were, you'll reach the main road. Follow it to the right, then turn left when you reach town. It's a ways down the hill, on the left of the street. But... you can't mean to go about like that?”

“Like what?”

“In those clothes! They're most improper for a maiden! Surely you must have a suitable dress in your backpack.”

“Er, no. Why is that a problem?”

“A man might see you!”

“So?”

“You're dressed so scandalously, a man's bound to take liberties!”

Skids rolled her eyes again. “If a man lays a finger on me unasked, I'm breaking it.”

“You would dare do violence to a man?” The very idea was ludicrous.

“Of course. What's your plan?”

“I dress modestly,” Charity said in a superior tone.

“Let me know how that works out for you. But here's some free advice: learn to defend yourself. I saw how you froze up just from me talking to you. If someone actually tried to harm you, I doubt you'd be able to so much as scream.”

“I...” Charity didn't know what to say to that.

“Thanks for the directions. Be seeing you, Char.”

“Goodbye... Skids. I hope you don't have trouble in town.”

Charity watched Skids go, wondering what would become of the strange maiden, and where she had come from. There was something very foreign about her. “I hope she's not evil,” Charity muttered to herself as she walked as quickly as she could back to the farmhouse. Skids hadn't seemed obviously evil, but the way she'd talked and dressed was clearly very wrong. Perhaps she was some kind of ignorant barbarian. Or maybe she was something truly evil, and Charity had been deceived.

Charity shuddered at the thought. What if Skids was some kind of brazen women, who intended to lead the townspeople astray with her abnormal appearance? What if she'd unwittingly helped an enemy? What if...

“Quit your dawdling and get inside!” her mother called through an open window. “There's no excuse for this slowness.”

“Yes, Mother.” Charity knew better than to try explaining herself. Such insolence would be punished. She rushed inside as quickly as she reasonably could, and presented the basket of eggs to Mother. “Where do you want them?”

“Eight will go in tonight's meal, and put the remainder in the ice box.”

“Yes, Mother.” It felt so good to be able to soak up the warmth of the house.

“Don't just stand there! You've got sewing to be done!”

“Yes, Mother. I... I'm concerned I have a chill.”

“Then get on with it! You'll warm up if you work, and the Maker rewards those who persevere in hardship. You should know that full well by now!”

“Yes, Mother. Of course you're right, Mother.”

-


The cheery ringing of a handbell pulled Charity's attention away from the curtains she had been deeply focused on sewing. “Dinner's ready! Time to wash up!” called Christina, the ten-year-old who had helped cook.

Charity quickly set down her work and left the sewing room. She found herself last in line to use the washtub. This meant a couple of minutes of waiting, as the tub twice required refilling with fresh water from the rainwater tank. At least no one had to go outside to do this, as Father had installed a copper pipe to bring the water directly into the house. This improvement had made the past few winters much more bearable. However, it didn't prevent other delays, such as tiny Cherish trying to eat the bar of soap while Chalice was briefly distracted by Champion. All were swiftly disciplined.

Finally, everyone was clean and seated around the heavy wooden dining table. The array of food looked lovely in the golden lantern light, and the smell was mouthwateringly good, especially after a long day's work.

“Channing, would you say the blessing?” Father ordered.

Channing - the second son - nodded, and all bowed their heads. “Great Maker, we thank You for Your bountiful blessings, specifically the food before us. May it nourish us and strengthen us that we may do Your work. Keep us from the path of evil, and shield us from magic. As You will, let it be.”

“Let it be,” the family echoed.

“I have good news,” Father said, once he'd enjoyed a few mouthfuls of the meal. He turned to look directly at Charity. “You especially will be glad to hear this, Charity.”

“Me, father?” Charity struggled to keep the fear from her voice. While Father had said the news was good, she felt guilty for helping Skids, and even more guilty for not mentioning it to Mother.

“You are the one with the fever, aren't you?”

“Yes, Father,” Charity said, relaxing slightly. Her fear was replaced with excitement. Had Father found a way to heal her ailment?

Father smiled. “My patrol captured a witch today.” His statement was met with gasps of shock from his family.

“A witch, Father? A witch dared enter our town?” asked Christopher. At twenty years of age, he was the eldest of the Wilison offspring. By rights he ought to be married by now, but finding a bride worthy of him was proving a difficult task for Father, though that was no shortcoming of Father's.

“Yes, she strolled right in as if her magic would protect her. The foolish wretch didn't even bother taking her magical items out of her bag!”

“How did you know she was a witch, Father?” Champion asked.

“That was easy enough. She wore items made of clearly unnatural materials. But besides that, she was clearly of an evil nature, as she was dressed in the clothing of a man, and with abominably short hair!”

“What a positively wretched creature!” Mother exclaimed. “To think that such foul creatures walk this land, it's simply dreadful!”

“She won't be walking this land much longer,” Father said. “She's to be sent back where she belongs at midnight. And since it was my patrol who captured her, I have first right of petition. So I'll be asking for a blessing upon Charity. And on your mother, of course, but Charity is to be wed soon, and we don't want anything interfering with that.”

“Yes,” Mother said. “I have many children already, so evil is unlikely to attack me. But you, Charity, you are so close to being made a woman. What more would evil wish than to prevent that?”

Charity grimaced. It was obvious to her that the witch was Skids. She hadn't looked like a witch, but Charity had never seen a witch in the flesh. Nor had she seen any of their infernal devices or unnatural substances. She'd been foolish to assist a stranger, especially one who looked so unusual. But Skids had seemed so naïve, and had appeared quite harmless once Charity had realised she was not a man. All she'd wanted was directions. She'd never tried to convince Charity to do anything magical or otherwise evil.

Or had she? Though spoken casually, everything Skids had said about clothing and men was rebellious. Even her attitude about names was rebellious. At the time, it had seemed like mere ignorance, but it might be that Skids' very nature was to subtley encourage rebellion without her victims noticing they'd been led astray, until it was too late. Hadn't she considered that Skids might be right about the need to defend herself, when she knew full well that was her father's responsibility, and soon to be her husband's?

Yes, she realised, the witch had come here to corrupt her, and it had almost worked. Who knew what destruction she might have...

“Charity? Is something the matter?” Father asked, interrupting the maiden's fevered thoughts.

“I... was wondering if I might be permitted to attend the ceremony, given that you will be petitioning the Great Maker on my behalf,” Charity found herself saying. She realised then that she wanted to see Skids again.

“Out at midnight? You're not well!” Mother said.

“That's why I'm petitioning,” Father said. “Charity's presence would show her devotion, and her perseverence. I'll permit it. No, more than that. I encourage her to come.”

“I just don't like the idea of our daughter being near a witch. Especially so close to her wedding!”

“There's no need to worry. The witch is muzzled so she cannot speak her lies, and bound so she cannot operate any foul devices. And the pyre is enclosed in a tall stone chimney, so no magic smoke may escape to poison the people or the land. Charity will be safe.”

“But to even allow her to see such a wanton creature...”

“I assure you, the wives of the shepherds have put her in proper attire for her final hours, and her unholy garments have been placed in a crate to be burned unseen beside her. The shepherds will allow none of their flock to be corrupted. Is that the last of your objections, woman? Or must you try my patience by doubting me?”

“No more, my husband. I apologise for my weakness.”

“See that it doesn't happen again. Charity, you should sleep early tonight. I will wake you when it is time to prepare to depart for the sacrifice.”

“Yes, Father. And I thank you for this blessing, Father.”

“Anything, for my daughter,” Father said, giving Charity a caring smile before continuing to eat his meal.

Charity wondered whether Father would be so generous towards her if he knew that she had spoken with the witch. Or that she wished to speak to her again. She thought it best that he not know... but she knew that even that thought alone was dangerously rebellious. With a single conversation, the witch had ensnared her, and with a single decision to remain silent, she'd been corrupted.

Her only hope was that sacrificing the witch would purify her and save her from the witch's web. But first... first she had to talk to Skids again.

Hmm, that's a fair amount riverish. Maybe I'll write the rest tomorrip?
azule wrote:Second pope edit: Eh, to be nice, if your postcount is higher than NP then skim in on a NP containing that numbered post (meaning, there's 40 posts a page, then figure out the math of where that post lands). I'm sure most people are within 100,000 posts.....

Oh, never mind then.
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Re: 1190: "A Time to Write"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:47 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:I could cheat and produce some Hallucinations of a Time Accessor to meet the wordcount requirements... but that's lazy.

Yes. Only horrible people do that :P .
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Re: 1190: "A Time to Write"

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:29 am UTC

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Eternal Density wrote:I could cheat and produce some Hallucinations of a Time Accessor to meet the wordcount requirements... but that's lazy.

Yes. Only horrible people do that :P .

Eh, it's better than when people reply to the silly joke I made without mentioning what they thought of the story I spent half the dip on.
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Re: 1190: "A Time to Write"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:08 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:I could cheat and produce some Hallucinations of a Time Accessor to meet the wordcount requirements... but that's lazy.

Yes. Only horrible people do that :P .

Eh, it's better than when people reply to the silly joke I made without mentioning what they thought of the story I spent half the dip on.

Good point. However I have rather a lot of work to do today and so your undoubtedly brilliant story will have to wait for another dip. Reacting to your joke doesn't cost much more time than the wait for Autocad to load the file I need (and the references referenced therein).
I'll be spending about 6 hours in a train next Saturday so if I haven't found the time before then I'll have the time.
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Re: 1190: "A Time to Write"

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Neil_Boekend wrote:Good point. However I have rather a lot of work to do today and so your undoubtedly brilliant story will have to wait for another dip. Reacting to your joke doesn't cost much more time than the wait for Autocad to load the file I need (and the references referenced therein).
I'll be spending about 6 hours in a train next Saturday so if I haven't found the time before then I'll have the time.
Ah, figured you hadn't yet. No need to go raptor.

That's quite a seaish train trip, I hope it goes molpishly!
Oops, I keep raising my post count without lengthening the story. Um...

Chapter Two: In Which
Spoiler:
Wait for it

Much better!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:09 am UTC

Some non-Beanish ketchup:

taixzo wrote:
  • And balthasar_s joined the Thread with a baobabish first OTTColored:
balthasar_s wrote:I just finished this 2873 colorization and could not keep it for myself until September so i took a photo:
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I remember being so wowed by this when it was first posted. Little did I know then to what degree those crazy bricks were a sign of what would come from our balthamason. (Sorry, I still don't have the energy to fix that sentence.)


Gingercat wrote:Welcome to The Chronicles of Torgos, Volume 2! (Torgos is the name of my DnD character I posted the previous Goblin-oriented story about. I'm going to retroedit my first DnD post to be titled this as well, for consistency and great justice.)
Wow - so that was... that was... that was... aaaaaaa! leeches! Even the little ones freak me out. I'm vaguely aware that there's probably a "correct" way to remove them, but whenever I've been faced with the situation, it's just been frantic flailing and slapping all the way.

Can you explain what you are a little more? I was imagining you to be like a dude - a young gandalf or something - but you have scales?


ucim wrote:Also love the VHF album art. (Does this count as being RN-naughty?)
No! It's as pure as the driven snow! Unless you use your imagination to remove (or your thumb to cover) the left-most two feet of hotdog.


Rakhal wrote:Just draining kittens on autopilot now.
Yay! Rakhal's in the 2000s! Almost here!


addams wrote:A Story:
Spoiler:
My friend Evei.
I am proud of her.
I love her.

This story is one of the reasons I love her so dearly.

Evei has a good car, but no license to drive it.
She failed her last driving test.

(She attempted the test in an unfamiliar town.
She missed a Stop sign at a three way intersection.)


well...A few days ago, Evei was feeling 'down'.
It was her son's Birthday. Her first born son.

He was her only child with the Love of her life.
His father died young and he died young.

She loved them both so much.
They were both taken from her.

Her son's Birthday is a difficult day for Evei.
She said her prayers and Evei said she cried.

Then Evie washed her face got dressed and talked to her friend and neighbor.
They decided to go on a Road Trip. Evei has a car. Her friend has a license.

They invited another women or two and off they went.
They went to the Post Office, to Ika and a Craft Shop.

Then, they went home, tired.
Evei's stories make me laugh.

I can see them in my mind's eye.
Can't you?

Evei is 95 years old. Tall with snow white hair.
Her son, had he lived, would be 71 years old.

Evei may live her full alloted one-hundred years.
She lives in a nice place where she is safe and supported.

Now can you see it?
Three old women making a break-for-it with the aid of walkers and canes.
Three old women giggling, side seat driving and having a wild adventure by car.

It is The American Way, after all.

Spoiler:
My word count might be Wrong.
I can see it all. Grinning. :)


Eternal Density wrote:
azule wrote:Oh, edit, pope! As SkimPope (like skim milk only lactose intolerant), my decree is to do a quick skim of NP [your post count] and tell us your findings. If your post count is way higher than that, then write exactly that many words into a story for OTTers' enjoyment

I could cheat and produce some Hallucinations of a Time Accessor to meet the wordcount requirements... but that's lazy.

Spoiler:
A Storm of Steel and Steam: Book One: Chaos of the Mage Stones

Chapter One - In Which Charity Meets Skids
...
But first... first she had to talk to Skids again.

Hmm, that's a fair amount riverish. Maybe I'll write the rest tomorrip?
Baobabs! You wrote that just for us?
Spoilered, because spoilers
Spoiler:
Heehee, before it was revealed that Skids was a girl I was starting to wonder if you were writing a paperback romance.

It feels very Time-ish not knowing where or when we are. At first, I just thought we were just in Ohio, but I don't think they burn folks in Ohio, so now I'm leaning towards it being a Time travel story. Whatever it is, it's good.


Neil_Boekend wrote:something that reminded me that I wanted to say something else
Hey Neil - I dreamed about you a few days ago! I was at this big dinner party/party party that was sprawled throughout a three-story semi-industrial building. I spotted you sitting in a beanbag - you were immediately recognisable because you were wearing your hat. What surprised me, was that you were a chick... okay... not the first time I made an incorrect assumption about someone's gender. You did actually kinda look like your picture - well, there was no facial hair - and you were a bit girlier. Maybe it was just the eyes. Anyways, you said something about something I can't recall any more, which I thought was about something on the thread. When I replied though, it turned out I was mistaken: you were actually talking about something work-related. Apparently we had been work-mates. You were very understanding of my mistake though, saying that it was easy to see everything as OTTish.
That is all. Sorry, I don't have a point.
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Re: 1190: "A Time to Write"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:33 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:ETA did I mention how awesomeful it is to have no more chemo? :D :D

Congrats!

ggh wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:something that reminded me that I wanted to say something else
Hey Neil - I dreamed about you a few days ago! I was at this big dinner party/party party that was sprawled throughout a three-story semi-industrial building. I spotted you sitting in a beanbag - you were immediately recognisable because you were wearing your hat. What surprised me, was that you were a chick... okay... not the first time I made an incorrect assumption about someone's gender. You did actually kinda look like your picture - well, there was no facial hair - and you were a bit girlier. Maybe it was just the eyes. Anyways, you said something about something I can't recall any more, which I thought was about something on the thread. When I replied though, it turned out I was mistaken: you were actually talking about something work-related. Apparently we had been work-mates. You were very understanding of my mistake though, saying that it was easy to see everything as OTTish.
That is all. Sorry, I don't have a point.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:54 pm UTC

thunk wrote:Hence why most linguists think in terms of morphemes (fundamental units of meaning).
Yes, but many words contain several morphemes meanords (the root part, and parts depicting conjugation, declension, compound constructions), and in any case, what we are given in Beanish is presumably-pronouncable space-separated glyph-globs. To wit - words, sort-of.

Eternal Density wrote:A Storm of Steel and Steam: Book One: Chaos of the Mage Stones
[...]
Baobabs! Love the story (and I'm wondering why all the names of the characters in the family are so C-ish, when it's Skids who does what she wants). :) Of course it would help keep people aware of which family the characters are from; personally I sometimes have trouble keeping track of who's who.

Eagerly awaiting part three!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:07 pm UTC

ucim wrote:Perhaps it's a mistake to think of a word as "the thing between spaces". So, that Turkish utterance would not be a word, but a full sentence. It has subject, predicate, all that jazz. German doesn't do that. Where we say "tape recorder" (using two words whose combined meaning is evident, at least after the fact), Germans say "sound-ribbon-device" all run together. They use one word where we use two. ("sound-ribbon" is already a word; in English we'd just say "sound ribbon" (or "recording tape")).
Yeah, it doesn't take many words for me until word stops looking like a real word. My question should have been: what causes a Beanie to hit the space bar?

ucim wrote:
ggh wrote: I'm not even sure water is water - I was leaning towards "imbibe" for quite a while.
Do you accept the axiom of choice? Given the corpus we have, I'm not convinced we could rule either one out. And the way language evolves, it could mean both. Consider the English word "drink". There's a verb (to imbibe liquid), the same verb in the command form, the noun for the liquid being imbibed, a specific type of liquid for imbibing (alcoholic is understood), and by extension, the entire sea (or any large body of water into which one might fall) is called the drink. One can drink in a view; liquid is not involved. And certainly we all drink from the One True Thread.

One could think of "drink" as "a word whose meaning is context dependent", but I prefer to think that there are many words, each with their own context-independent meaning, all represented by the same sound and orthography. But either way, the point is that a set of space-separated Beanish glyphs cannot necessarily be considered to "mean" the same thing in each panel in which it is used.

Not if Beanish is an entire language.
Yeah... about that....
So, it had been kinda distracting me that the word for water was so similar to the word for the leader/scholar. People imbibe books, and yes, we drink from the thread.

There's that 2 on the door and I thought maybe that might mean in (file that one under Interesting Mistaken Discoveries) and the chair before panther salve is often guessed to be bring me and the flats appear in places that seem reasonable for you. So, I started thinking that that water word could be bring in you (?? - i dunno... wet stuff? something more general?) - that would be like drink, no? And then the base of the leader word would be bring in (?? - i still dunno) but with the little high cup diacritic. One of the coolish things about lojban is that there's a marker for figurative stuff - for example, tuple is defined: x1 is a/the leg [body-part] of x2; [metaphor: supporting branch]. Maybe that diacritic is the figurative marker?

I know - I'm going out on a leg there. I didn't say it was a good theory. I said it was a pet theory.

ucim wrote:OTOH, the OTA may have restricted himself to a type of Upgoer Beanish. If we are to make progress, we kinda haveta go with that.
Neat. :) GLR held Cuegan to a pretty limited vocabulary. Why would the Beanies deserve a longer leash?
ucim wrote:Even so, I'm not convinced that we have a big enough corpus to divine the One True Meaning of each word. I do however think we can divine the general meaning of each of their locutions, primarily through context and what repetition there is. From this, we can create our own Beanish dictionary, which would be complete and consistent. The OTA's lexicon is also presumed complete and consistent. But they would be like unto Euclidean and Spherical and Elliptical and Lorenz geometries, with no way to tell which one is the One True Geometry, because they can all fit.
Yeah, I'm fine with fitting a plane to two points. If we can come up with something consistent that fits with the context we have, and suggests a plausible meaning for those frames that we have no solid guesses for, then I think we've done what we're supposed to.


azule wrote:I'm not sure I agree with all of mrob's or mscha's interpretations. The flower could be a possibility, but the wiki page only mentions the food as a spice not a main ingredient. I'd say that it would make more sense for Amtoo to call it a "cream" than to call it "chives" or whatever. That's from his page. I still have to read and understand the whole page, which I haven't done.
I think it's good not to agree with me or anyone. If we fling a bunch of ideas at each other, maybe something awesomful will happen. :)

azule wrote:Tresoldi thought the "big" might just be a letter, "l" specifically. When the "letter" appeared in "ᑫᘊᘊ" then it made it a little difficult to see how that would be the base...twice. "Super super important" is how I took it, but it could just be a double lettered word, like "all". :(
Yeah, that ᑫᘊᘊ is not friendly to any of the ideas I've entertained either. I kind of want to say that it's an exception because it's a proper noun, but I think that may just be a copout. After all, there's a "ᘊ" at the end of the Beanie's second question in 2723 and I doubt that's a proper noun. Hmm.

azule wrote:I hope your plan worked. For me to chatter on about Beanish and not be in the Basement. :P
*rubs hands together greedily*

azule wrote:
thunk wrote:
ucim wrote:Perhaps it's a mistake to think of a word as "the thing between spaces".
Hence why most linguists think in terms of morphemes (fundamental units of meaning).
That word always trips me up because it sounds like morphine, which is a bad thing. I hereby decree (as a side decree that only applies to linguists in the OTT) that morpheme shall now be known as meanord. Meanord is a portmanteau of mean(ing)+(w)ord. It sounds like a "mean nerd", so there's still a bad part to it, but at least it's not a very destructive drug. ;)
I am not a linguist, but I'd like to use this word too. My hope is that each of the symbols is a meanord. That would make the panther salve something described by 11 meanords. Seems like we'll know what's in it once we can read. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:24 pm UTC

ucim wrote:Love your Evee story addams! (Although I do keep wanting to read the name as "Evil")
Yes. The eye does play that 'trick''.
I've changed it.

It has just the right number of words.
If anybody disagrees, tell them you're using new math.
New math is better than old math, because, well, it's new and shiny.

New math is strange.
Infinity is big enough, why did they go off and make different sizes of infinity?
And then, they make infinity plus one be different from infinity when it used to be the same.

That's surreal.
Should it be?
Heavens, Jose; I hope that is a rhetorical question.
I am not qualified to answer it, otherwise.

Infinity and Eternity are both ... oh, dear...william blake ...
Spoiler:
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,

Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.


William Blake
(28 November 1757 – 12 August 1827)

another short story:
Spoiler:
Before the internet, my external memory storage devices were in books.
Heavy, heavy books.

Wisely, we were required to memorize data.
But, Why?? William Blake?
It takes very little to trigger....a flood of old poetry.
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to endless night.

God appears and God is light
To those poor souls that dwell in night.

But, Does a human form display
To those who dwell in rhelms of day.


William Blake 1757-1827

addams wrote:I punched the calculator for a while.
The number 80 had a nice ring.
Let's see... you shouldn't eat cassettes, you shouldn't throw bicycles at robots, but there's nothing about punching calculators.
So you're good to go.

ok. Good to know.

Was 80 married? Engaged? Was it a class ring, or just a classy one?
Silly, Jose; It rang like a bell.
Not a very good bell, but it did not clang like a bad bell.

Back to Beanie Linqistics.
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