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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:09 am UTC

I've been waiting for one of you to say something.
But; No. So; I will.

There was an accident in the White Sea of Russia.
Radiation levels were elevated in a City nearby.

At the very least Russia lost five or six of her Best and Brightest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/worl ... ident.html

A Clip.
https://preview.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl ... vi-AAFKsDD

This is an interesting 'take' on the Reporting of the incident.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... e-it-used/

Now, It's your turn.
Maybe something Dark about another American Shooting?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:10 am UTC

Any chance of the radiation in the sea (if I understood you correctly) causing issues globally?

Though I think we did nuke tests on islands and it hasn't caused much?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:10 am UTC

gd1 wrote:Any chance of the radiation in the sea (if I understood you correctly) causing issues globally?

Though I think we did nuke tests on islands and it hasn't caused much?
Globally?
Well---Everything is connected.

The Global risk is Nuclear War.

Big Man V. has been bragging about developing new Nuclear Weapons.
It seems the boasting is not empty bragging, they are working on it.

Loosing all that Brain Power all at one time, might slow them down.
The U.S. worked on a similar weapon in the 1960's. It's a bad idea.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:34 am UTC

Well, all those nuke tests on the islands caused a bunch of baby teeth to become radioactive.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:30 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Well, all those nuke tests on the islands caused a bunch of baby teeth to become radioactive.
What islands are you thinking of?
There were SO! many islands.

The one that springs to my mind is the one with the Maths error.
Remember? The guy doing the math was 'off' by several zeros.

Blew that island out of existence.
It also forced the evacuation of several other islands.

Oh---Were you thinking of that area in Russia?
umm...I can't remember the name.

oh---Yes.
People are still suffering the effects.

Why don't we have more ill effects from our Bombas out by Las Vegas?
What? Is our population just too, too mobile?

Off Topic:
Still---I spoke to a woman yesterday that was registered as "Down Wind From Hanford".
Until yesterday, I didn't know there was such a thing. People are running around.

Oh---Her two Brothers died of cancer and she has health problems.
I'm going with. 'We move around too much'.

Or; Maybe, we move around the right amount.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:36 am UTC

I'm referring to this old study.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:54 am UTC

gd1 wrote:Any chance of the radiation in the sea (if I understood you correctly) causing issues globally?

Though I think we did nuke tests on islands and it hasn't caused much?

No, it might affect the nearby towns (article says nearby village had 16 times normal background radiation) but there's not enough to really pose much threat beyond that. This was a tiny, tiny reactor, small enough to fit into a missile propulsion system if theories about the cause are correct.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:35 am UTC

Truck drives into row of Jewish protesters at ICE detention center in Rhode Island

But sure, tell us more about how fascism is being squashed and leftists are the real threat.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:50 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Truck drives into row of Jewish protesters at ICE detention center in Rhode Island

But sure, tell us more about how fascism is being squashed and leftists are the real threat.
“All of us who were in the vicinity caught some of the tear gas,”
It looks like civilians are getting a face full of Tear Gas all over the world.
It enough to make the rest of us cry, just because---

Oh----CorruptUser;
Interesting read.

Yes. The Nuclear Fallout has effected children and trees all over the world.
The Archaeologists of the future will have an easy time dating before and after 1960's.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:07 pm UTC

addams wrote:The Archaeologists of the future will have an easy time dating before and after 1960's.


No they won't. Not unless they can go back in time so they can go on dates before 1960, and even some time after 1960.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:24 pm UTC

I mean they don't really need time machines to date after 1960. I've done that several times myself and I'm not even an archeologist.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:29 pm UTC

I can imagine having a time machine helping to get dates though.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:58 pm UTC

Not just any dates, use it to travel back in time to when Selma Hayek was single.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:59 pm UTC

gd1 wrote:I only take issue with the Zionists who are murdering civilians. I do support BDS, but only to prevent further bloodshed. If what I'm hearing about rocket strikes indiscriminately against Israel is true, I condemn that as well. These days I don't even know what is honest reporting anymore.

The rocket attacks are definitely happening. I don't support BDS because I don't think it's an effective measure of resistance, for a few reasons.
1. Academics in Israel are generally more liberal than the rest of the population. An academic boycott gets in the way of them doing meaningful work around the conflict, and targets specifically people that are on the Palestinians' side.
2. Israelis tend to adopt a "You're against me? Well screw you!" sort of attitude. A boycott is not seen as something that's threatening.
3. Israel's economy is already so entwined with tech and military industry, simply boycotting products produced in settlements, for instance, is not going to harm it. An overarching boycott of Israel will dramatically limit any participant's access to most modern technology, and without an overarching boycott, Israel is not being strongly affected.

CorruptUser wrote:Not just any dates, use it to travel back in time to when Selma Hayek was single.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby cphite » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:23 pm UTC

addams wrote:Big Man V. has been bragging about developing new Nuclear Weapons.
It seems the boasting is not empty bragging, they are working on it.

Loosing all that Brain Power all at one time, might slow them down.
The U.S. worked on a similar weapon in the 1960's. It's a bad idea.


Bragging is the whole point.

A nuclear powered rocket is ill-advised from strategic standpoint. You have all of the risks - the main one Russia just demonstrated - plus the added maintenance and security issues, for no real strategic gain. The only real advantage to a nuclear rocket engine is range, but Russia already has conventional rockets that can strike anywhere on Earth, so that advantage is moot.

From a threat deterrence perspective, the hypersonic technology they're working on is far more intimidating.

The only real point then is to be able to say they have nuclear powered rockets. Putin is facing challenges politically, Russia is being overshadowed by China... it's basically a big 'ole flex that unfortunately ended badly.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby ijuin » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:34 pm UTC

The only tactical advantages that I can see to a nuclear powered cruise missile over an ICBM is the ability to change the target, loiter, or abort after launching.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:11 pm UTC

A nuclear cruise missile can cruise at low altitude to anywhere in earth, as opposed to a ballistic missile which can hit anywhere on earth but does so flying at very high altitude (mostly in space), thus being easy to detect.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:14 pm UTC

There is that spreading deadly fallout for days, weeks or months.

I heard somewhere that was both the reason for the U.S.
to develop the technology and the reason the U.S. stopped.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby ijuin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:17 am UTC

Unless the cruise missile is stealthy enough to evade a radar lock or is going significantly above Mach 3, then it is feasible to shoot down with today’s anti-aircraft missiles. That negates the “flying around for an extended time just to spew additional fallout” scenario.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:37 am UTC

ijuin wrote:Unless the cruise missile is stealthy enough to evade a radar lock or is going significantly above Mach 3, then it is feasible to shoot down with today’s anti-aircraft missiles. That negates the “flying around for an extended time just to spew additional fallout” scenario.
Okay---
It's looping between Washington D.C. and NYC.
When/Where are you going to shoot it down.

Remember;
A Two hundred mile circumference is highly likely to had significant fallout.

Besides! Who told you shooting ICBM's out of the sky is easy?
Have you been on Cheetos Twitter Feed, again?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby EdgarJPublius » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:55 am UTC

addams wrote:
ijuin wrote:Unless the cruise missile is stealthy enough to evade a radar lock or is going significantly above Mach 3, then it is feasible to shoot down with today’s anti-aircraft missiles. That negates the “flying around for an extended time just to spew additional fallout” scenario.
Okay---
It's looping between Washington D.C. and NYC.
When/Where are you going to shoot it down.



Most likely somewhere over Canada.

(by which I mean, when it is *en route*, before it crosses into U.S. airspace for the first time. Unless these hypothetical Russians have invented some form of teleportation, in which case, why are they bothering with cruise missiles at all?)

addams wrote:Besides! Who told you shooting ICBM's out of the sky is easy?
Have you been on Cheetos Twitter Feed, again?


Cruise missiles are significantly easier to shoot down than ICBMs.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:30 am UTC

EdgarJPublius wrote:Cruise missiles are significantly easier to shoot down than ICBMs.
ummm....

Cruise missiles: A low-flying missile which is guided to its target by an on-board computer.
ICBM intercontinental ballistic missile.

I think we are talking about ICBM's.
We're not?

Why use such a powerful and dangerous power source to stay under the speed of sound and fly low?
(shrug...) I'm willing to read a well written explanation. I can't change it. Still it's interesting.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Dauric » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:44 am UTC

addams wrote:
EdgarJPublius wrote:Cruise missiles are significantly easier to shoot down than ICBMs.
ummm....

Cruise missiles: A low-flying missile which is guided to its target by an on-board computer.
ICBM intercontinental ballistic missile.

I think we are talking about ICBM's.
We're not?

Why use such a powerful and dangerous power source to stay under the speed of sound and fly low?
(shrug...) I'm willing to read a well written explanation. I can't change it. Still it's interesting.


A 'ballistic' missile flies in a parabolic arc. It has a brief, intense initial motor stage that lifts it to the apoapsis (high point) of it's arc, then falls back to earth unpowered. Rocketry 101: fuel you carry is fuel you need to carry more fuel to lift. By taking advantage of gravity for propulsion in the downward arc you're carrying less fuel, mass that can go to payload/warhead. Cruise missiles remain powered up to impact.This limits their range (which is still pretty impressive, but still requires a launch platform in the theater of operations), unless you can work out a highly fuel-efficient engine, like some theoretical nuclear air-ram designs.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:46 am UTC

What if Russia could make a missile fast enough to take out our nukes before we could react? And maybe damage our infrastructure in some way so that we couldn't pay to keep our submarines with nukes safe?

Paranoid conspiracies ftw.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:15 am UTC

Yes. A good little old fashioned paranoia is a breath of fresh air.
Our 'real life' has Russia buying controlling interests in our States One by One.

I, just, don't get it.
They are kicking our collective asses by getting us to do it ourselves.
They do it by yelling "Fight! Fight!" from the World Wide Web.

Why are they risking so much on dangerous killing weapons?
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Postby commodorejohn » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:11 am UTC

addams wrote:Why are they risking so much on dangerous killing weapons?

The same reason Mr. Sinister Ex-KGB Strongman uses his political capital to fix a gorram hockey game - even the relatively successful dictators and tyrants are fundamentally pretty much the most insecure, pettiest damn people on the planet.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:02 am UTC

Oh---That.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby idonno » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:05 pm UTC

gd1 wrote:What if Russia could make a missile fast enough to take out our nukes before we could react? And maybe damage our infrastructure in some way so that we couldn't pay to keep our submarines with nukes safe?

Paranoid conspiracies ftw.

If they started hitting us like that, wouldn't we launch the nukes in retaliation long before we got to the point of having to decommission the subs?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:50 pm UTC

No, you play dirty by bankrupting the country years in advance. Get them involved in forever-wars fighting vaguely defined enemies, sabotage the government oversight of financial institutions, spread unfalsifiable rumors to weaken confidence in government, have fellow travelers in academia rewrite the narrative of history, cause pointless trade wars between otherwise friendly trade partners, hype of the threat of foreigners/immigrants in order to reduce stability and cross cultural synergies. That sort of thing.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

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idonno wrote:
gd1 wrote:What if Russia could make a missile fast enough to take out our nukes before we could react? And maybe damage our infrastructure in some way so that we couldn't pay to keep our submarines with nukes safe?

Paranoid conspiracies ftw.

If they started hitting us like that, wouldn't we launch the nukes in retaliation long before we got to the point of having to decommission the subs?
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Okay,
What CorruptUser said.

That seems to be the path we are on.
It will be the End of Western Democracy.

On the Up Side, it won't be The End of all Cilivasation.
The very Rich and The very Poor will keep going.

What??
Is that our natural 'ground state'?
Without effort and great forethought we always fall back to Feudalism?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby idonno » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:57 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:No, you play dirty by bankrupting the country years in advance. Get them involved in forever-wars fighting vaguely defined enemies, sabotage the government oversight of financial institutions, spread unfalsifiable rumors to weaken confidence in government, have fellow travelers in academia rewrite the narrative of history, cause pointless trade wars between otherwise friendly trade partners, hype of the threat of foreigners/immigrants in order to reduce stability and cross cultural synergies. That sort of thing.

Once you have crippled a nation in such a manner, why would you need to blow them up.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:04 pm UTC


Most likely somewhere over Canada.

(by which I mean, when it is *en route*, before it crosses into U.S. airspace for the first time. Unless these hypothetical Russians have invented some form of teleportation, in which case, why are they bothering with cruise missiles at all?)

Perhaps I am mistaken, but isn't the point of a nuclear-powered missile that it would not fly over Canada? It could take a long way round and come in from any direction.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:37 pm UTC

idonno wrote:Once you have crippled a nation in such a manner, why would you need to blow them up.


Make the land uninhabitable and completely unable to repel a takeover. Or just the people gone permanently. No one to tell you no when you commit a Crimea. Also, that's one of the three superpowers off the board. Not sure how well Russia and China are actually getting along though.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:48 pm UTC

gd1 wrote:
idonno wrote:Once you have crippled a nation in such a manner, why would you need to blow them up.


Make the land uninhabitable and completely unable to repel a takeover. Or just the people gone permanently. No one to tell you no when you commit a Crimea. Also, that's one of the three superpowers off the board. Not sure how well Russia and China are actually getting along though.
(tisk-tisk) I think Idonno is correct.
With the economy under your control the people are an asset.
Like the dumb animals they are, they make you look and feel powerful and strong among your peers.

Who gets bragging rights?
When a foreign power pulls the purse strings the common man will not revolt.
The common man is more likely to be revolting than he is to revolt.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:20 pm UTC

From the movie - Clear and Present Danger

A:
Do you know what you've done?

B:
I killed a thief,
a thief who was stealing...
...from me!

A:
And his wife, and his son,
and his daughter,
apparently with no thought
of the consequences.

B:
Should I let his children avenge their
father's death when I least expect it?


Leave the populace around with the risk of problems down the road? Or completely remove them (except people not in the US)? Then populate the territory with your own people. If they're willing to spend this much effort (if that's what they're doing), they won't likely want bragging rights.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:52 pm UTC

Wasn't there a weapon for eliminating life without damaging infrastructure?
There are rumors...
Cohen is the physicist who invented the neutron bomb, the one that kills people but leaves things like tanks and buildings intact. Plans to deploy his creations in Europe during the '70s and '80s awakened the "peace movement" across that continent, stopping its deployment
Those rumors are Not True.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb

ehhh---Why am I thinking about Tools of War?
Oh,...My Nation has been attacked.

Apparently we are going to do Nothing about it.
We most surely are NOT going to use a WMD's!
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Coyne » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:43 pm UTC

idonno wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:No, you play dirty by bankrupting the country years in advance. Get them involved in forever-wars fighting vaguely defined enemies, sabotage the government oversight of financial institutions, spread unfalsifiable rumors to weaken confidence in government, have fellow travelers in academia rewrite the narrative of history, cause pointless trade wars between otherwise friendly trade partners, hype of the threat of foreigners/immigrants in order to reduce stability and cross cultural synergies. That sort of thing.

Once you have crippled a nation in such a manner, why would you need to blow them up.

Because having them crippled is not the same as having their unconditional surrender.
In all fairness...

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby idonno » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:03 pm UTC

gd1 wrote:Leave the populace around with the risk of problems down the road? Or completely remove them (except people not in the US)? Then populate the territory with your own people. If they're willing to spend this much effort (if that's what they're doing), they won't likely want bragging rights.
They aren't going to completely remove the U.S. population without having serious impacts on the rest of the world. Up until this point it was
a shadow war with lots of deniability. A quest for vengeance is unlikely. As soon as they start firing they run the risk of getting hit by a nuke they didn't know about which has major ramifications. Other nations might see it and attack out of self preservation (we all know what can happen if you just ignore something like that until they take the country next to yours. There is a lot of downside to attacking when there are much more subtle options.

It is so much more likely that after manipulating a nation into self destruction, the plan would be to seize control by being the nation offering them a way out. As soon as an actual attack takes place, that potential is gone.

Coyne wrote:Because having them crippled is not the same as having their unconditional surrender.

If you think nuking a country to get a surrender is going to work out well for anyone, you are delusional. Even if they win, the entire rest of the world is going to want to take them down before the same is done again. There will almost certainly be nuclear strikes that hit anyone who ever tries this and the resulting war would make the entire planet less habitable.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:34 pm UTC

Yep.
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Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:45 pm UTC

idonno wrote:
gd1 wrote:Leave the populace around with the risk of problems down the road? Or completely remove them (except people not in the US)? Then populate the territory with your own people. If they're willing to spend this much effort (if that's what they're doing), they won't likely want bragging rights.
They aren't going to completely remove the U.S. population without having serious impacts on the rest of the world. Up until this point it was
a shadow war with lots of deniability. A quest for vengeance is unlikely. As soon as they start firing they run the risk of getting hit by a nuke they didn't know about which has major ramifications. Other nations might see it and attack out of self preservation (we all know what can happen if you just ignore something like that until they take the country next to yours. There is a lot of downside to attacking when there are much more subtle options.

It is so much more likely that after manipulating a nation into self destruction, the plan would be to seize control by being the nation offering them a way out. As soon as an actual attack takes place, that potential is gone.

Coyne wrote:Because having them crippled is not the same as having their unconditional surrender.

If you think nuking a country to get a surrender is going to work out well for anyone, you are delusional. Even if they win, the entire rest of the world is going to want to take them down before the same is done again. There will almost certainly be nuclear strikes that hit anyone who ever tries this and the resulting war would make the entire planet less habitable.


There are 3 major players in the modern world:
USA
Russia
China

The other countries don't have the budget or ability to detect actions by one of these countries as easily. If Russia takes out the usa and is allied with China, it's possible that they may have taken steps in advance to prevent or greatly reduce any retaliation by other countries. Though I guess it depends on how long of a game that they want to play.
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