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Re: Trump presidency

Postby WriteBrainedJR » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:41 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:Not sure if this has come up and I've just missed it, but apparently Ivanka Trump is in a bit of trouble for using private email for government business. This situation sounds vaguely familiar to me, though I can't remember where it came up in the past :roll:

Is this where we start chanting "lock her up?" It feels like it is.

CorruptUser wrote:Trump gets hurt when his family is injured?! Maybe Ivanka, but that's because she makes him money.

Or because of...um...grosser reasons than that.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:48 am UTC

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I'm somewhat conflicted about the investigations that may come up by a Democratic house. I will allow Milhouse to convey my feelings appropriately:

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:58 am UTC

Autocratic ... money-grabbing ... overdoes the bling to the point where a bit of plain granite would be nice to see ... sexual interest in underage girls ... big on burning fossil fuels ... not a fan of the environment ...

Is Trump a secret Saudi? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fOrNWRFsh0
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby orthogon » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:31 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:secret Saudi?

That sounds like a really fucked-up version of Secret Santa ;-)
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:42 pm UTC

In that version, everyone gives each other gifts, but most of those gifts are print copies of the various hadith while one of those gifts is an explosive.

I prefer Secret Satan. The gifts are actually quite nice, and since you are giving as well as receiving you just swap souls.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:55 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Sableagle wrote:secret Saudi?

That sounds like a really fucked-up version of Secret Santa ;-)

Instead of looking for something under $5 that your designated colleague would really like, you look for a reason to stone them, hang them or throw them off a tall building.

Judging by one reference in that video I linked, Trump either is Pence's secret Saudi or suspects Pence is his.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SDK » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:52 pm UTC

"What are you most thankful for, Mr. President?"

"For having a great family, and for having made a tremendous difference in this country. I've made a tremendous difference in the country... This country is so much stronger now than it was when I took office that you wouldn't believe it."

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At least he's right about that last thing.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Angua » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:19 pm UTC

It's a bit mad that the US can just shoot things to attack people in Mexico whenever they want.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/ ... TFGK-y852o

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... xvZypC2Gu4
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Re: Trump presidency

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Nobody expects the American Inquisition!

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ijuin » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:09 am UTC

Yes, seriously, firing live munitions into Mexican territory should technically constitute an act of aggression against Mexico.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:52 am UTC

From that Guardian article:
According to court records Alvarado attempted to drive away from an apartment where Tackett and six other plainclothes agents had begun questioning her and others without a warrant.
As a sheriff’s deputy in neighboring Imperial county in the years prior, Tackett was suspended four times following a string of incidents that took place in the span of 19 months, involving unlawful searches, illegal detentions and reckless behavior, before he resigned upon receiving a termination notice, court documents detail.


You see him with a gun, you shoot him. It has to be done. When a bunch of thugs are going round with matching red armbands or blue bandanas or whatever these guys wear, holding people up and demanding stuff with no legal authority, and they're shooting at anyone who doesn't comply, they need locking up or shooting. As they're not getting locked up .....

Just say you were in fear for your life. That always works, right?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:44 pm UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG8lgx85u10

New Government Report: "Man-made climate change is already wreaking havoc on the US. ... more destructive western wildfires, longer heatwaves in the south-east and more powerful Atlantic hurricanes. Climate change could shrink the US economy by hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the century."

The actual report:
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Global annually averaged surface air temperature has increased by about 1.8°F (1.0°C) over the last 115 years (1901–2016). This period is now the warmest in the history of modern civilization. The last few years have also seen record-breaking, climate-related weather extremes, and the last three years have been the warmest years on record for the globe. These trends are expected to continue over climate timescales.

For example, global average sea level has risen by about 7–8 inches since 1900, with almost half (about 3 inches) of that rise occurring since 1993. Human-caused climate change has made a substantial contribution to this rise since 1900, contributing to a rate of rise that is greater than during any preceding century in at least 2,800 years. Global sea level rise has already affected the United States; the incidence of daily tidal flooding is accelerating in more than 25 Atlantic and Gulf Coast cities.

Global average sea levels are expected to continue to rise—by at least several inches in the next 15 years and by 1–4 feet by 2100. A rise of as much as 8 feet by 2100 cannot be ruled out. Sea level rise will be higher than the global average on the East and Gulf Coasts of the United States.

Changes in the characteristics of extreme events are particularly important for human safety, infrastructure, agriculture, water quality and quantity, and natural ecosystems. Heavy rainfall is increasing in intensity and frequency across the United States and globally and is expected to continue to increase. The largest observed changes in the United States have occurred in the Northeast.

The incidence of large forest fires in the western United States and Alaska has increased since the early 1980s and is projected to further increase in those regions as the climate changes, with profound changes to regional ecosystems.

Annual trends toward earlier spring melt and reduced snowpack are already affecting water resources in the western United States and these trends are expected to continue. Under higher scenarios, and assuming no change to current water resources management, chronic, long-duration hydrological drought is increasingly possible before the end of this century.

Since 1980, the cost of extreme events for the United States has exceeded $1.1 trillion; therefore, better understanding of the frequency and severity of these events in the context of a changing climate is warranted.

Natural variability, including El Niño events and other recurring patterns of ocean–atmosphere interactions, impact temperature and precipitation, especially regionally, over timescales of months to years. The global influence of natural variability, however, is limited to a small fraction of observed climate trends over decades.

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The frequency and intensity of extreme high temperature events are virtually certain to increase in the future as global temperature increases (high confidence). Extreme precipitation events will very likely continue to increase in frequency and intensity throughout most of the world (high confidence).

The frequency and severity of landfalling “atmospheric rivers” on the U.S. West Coast (narrow streams of moisture that account for 30%–40% of the typical snowpack and annual precipitation in the region and are associated with severe flooding events) will increase as a result of increasing evaporation and resulting higher atmospheric water vapor that occurs with increasing temperature. (Medium confidence) (Ch. 9)

Both physics and numerical modeling simulations generally indicate an increase in tropical cyclone intensity in a warmer world, and the models generally show an increase in the number of very intense tropical cyclones. For Atlantic and eastern North Pacific hurricanes and western North Pacific typhoons, increases are projected in precipitation rates (high confidence) and intensity (medium confidence). The frequency of the most intense of these storms is projected to increase in the Atlantic and western North Pacific (low confidence) and in the eastern North Pacific (medium confidence). (Ch. 9)

Emerging science regarding Antarctic ice sheet stability suggests that, for higher scenarios, a GMSL rise exceeding 8 feet (2.4 m) by 2100 is physically possible, although the probability of such an extreme outcome cannot currently be assessed. Regardless of emission pathway, it is extremely likely that GMSL rise will continue beyond 2100 (high confidence). (Ch. 12)

For high GMSL rise scenarios, relative sea level rise is likely to be higher than the global average along all U.S. coastlines outside Alaska. Almost all U.S. coastlines experience more than global mean sea level rise in response to Antarctic ice loss, and thus would be particularly affected under extreme GMSL rise scenarios involving substantial Antarctic mass loss (high confidence). (Ch. 12)

The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities. Future climate change is expected to further disrupt many areas of life, exacerbating existing challenges to prosperity posed by aging and deteriorating infrastructure, stressed ecosystems, and economic inequality. Impacts within and across regions will not be distributed equally. People who are already vulnerable, including lower-income and other marginalized communities, have lower capacity to prepare for and cope with extreme weather and climate-related events and are expected to experience greater impacts. Prioritizing adaptation actions for the most vulnerable populations would contribute to a more equitable future within and across communities. Global action to significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions can substantially reduce climate-related risks and increase opportunities for these populations in the longer term.

Regional economies and industries that depend on natural resources and favorable climate conditions, such as agriculture, tourism, and fisheries, are vulnerable to the growing impacts of climate change. Rising temperatures are projected to reduce the efficiency of power generation while increasing energy demands, resulting in higher electricity costs. The impacts of climate change beyond our borders are expected to increasingly affect our trade and economy, including import and export prices and U.S. businesses with overseas operations and supply chains. Some aspects of our economy may see slight near-term improvements in a modestly warmer world. However, the continued warming that is projected to occur without substantial and sustained reductions in global greenhouse gas emissions is expected to cause substantial net damage to the U.S. economy throughout this century, especially in the absence of increased adaptation efforts. With continued growth in emissions at historic rates, annual losses in some economic sectors are projected to reach hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the century—more than the current gross domestic product (GDP) of many U.S. states.

Rising air and water temperatures and changes in precipitation are intensifying droughts, increasing heavy downpours, reducing snowpack, and causing declines in surface water quality, with varying impacts across regions. Future warming will add to the stress on water supplies and adversely impact the availability of water in parts of the United States. Changes in the relative amounts and timing of snow and rainfall are leading to mismatches between water availability and needs in some regions, posing threats to, for example, the future reliability of hydropower production in the Southwest and the Northwest. Groundwater depletion is exacerbating drought risk in many parts of the United States, particularly in the Southwest and Southern Great Plains. Dependable and safe water supplies for U.S. Caribbean, Hawai‘i, and U.S.-Affiliated Pacific Island communities are threatened by drought, flooding, and saltwater contamination due to sea level rise. Most U.S. power plants rely on a steady supply of water for cooling, and operations are expected to be affected by changes in water availability and temperature increases. Aging and deteriorating water infrastructure, typically designed for past environmental conditions, compounds the climate risk faced by society.

Changes in temperature and precipitation are increasing air quality and health risks from wildfire and ground-level ozone pollution. Rising air and water temperatures and more intense extreme events are expected to increase exposure to waterborne and foodborne diseases, affecting food and water safety. With continued warming, cold-related deaths are projected to decrease and heat-related deaths are projected to increase; in most regions, increases in heat-related deaths are expected to outpace reductions in cold-related deaths. The frequency and severity of allergic illnesses, including asthma and hay fever, are expected to increase as a result of a changing climate. Climate change is also projected to alter the geographic range and distribution of disease-carrying insects and pests, exposing more people to ticks that carry Lyme disease and mosquitoes that transmit viruses such as Zika, West Nile, and dengue, with varying impacts across regions. Communities in the Southeast, for example, are particularly vulnerable to the combined health impacts from vector-borne disease, heat, and flooding. Extreme weather and climate-related events can have lasting mental health consequences in affected communities, particularly if they result in degradation of livelihoods or community relocation. Populations including older adults, children, low-income communities, and some communities of color are often disproportionately affected by, and less resilient to, the health impacts of climate change.

While some regions (such as the Northern Great Plains) may see conditions conducive to expanded or alternative crop productivity over the next few decades, overall, yields from major U.S. crops are expected to decline as a consequence of increases in temperatures and possibly changes in water availability, soil erosion, and disease and pest outbreaks. Increases in temperatures during the growing season in the Midwest are projected to be the largest contributing factor to declines in the productivity of U.S. agriculture. Projected increases in extreme heat conditions are expected to lead to further heat stress for livestock, which can result in large economic losses for producers.

Climate change and extreme weather events are expected to increasingly disrupt our Nation’s energy and transportation systems, threatening more frequent and longer-lasting power outages, fuel shortages, and service disruptions, with cascading impacts on other critical sectors. Infrastructure currently designed for historical climate conditions is more vulnerable to future weather extremes and climate change. The continued increase in the frequency and extent of high-tide flooding due to sea level rise threatens America’s trillion-dollar coastal property market and public infrastructure, with cascading impacts to the larger economy. In Alaska, rising temperatures and erosion are causing damage to buildings and coastal infrastructure that will be costly to repair or replace, particularly in rural areas; these impacts are expected to grow without adaptation. Expected increases in the severity and frequency of heavy precipitation events will affect inland infrastructure in every region, including access to roads, the viability of bridges, and the safety of pipelines. Flooding from heavy rainfall, storm surge, and rising high tides is expected to compound existing issues with aging infrastructure in the Northeast. Increased drought risk will threaten oil and gas drilling and refining, as well as electricity generation from power plants that rely on surface water for cooling.

Rising water temperatures, ocean acidification, retreating arctic sea ice, sea level rise, high-tide flooding, coastal erosion, higher storm surge, and heavier precipitation events threaten our oceans and coasts. These effects are projected to continue, putting ocean and marine species at risk, decreasing the productivity of certain fisheries, and threatening communities that rely on marine ecosystems for livelihoods and recreation, with particular impacts on fishing communities in Hawai‘i and the U.S.-Affiliated Pacific Islands, the U.S. Caribbean, and the Gulf of Mexico. Lasting damage to coastal property and infrastructure driven by sea level rise and storm surge is expected to lead to financial losses for individuals, businesses, and communities, with the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts facing above-average risks. Impacts on coastal energy and transportation infrastructure driven by sea level rise and storm surge have the potential for cascading costs and disruptions across the country.
Trump: "I've seen it. I've read some of it. It's fine. I don't believe it."

Maybe he read the parts about who's going to be most affected and said "Will I int porr an I int blick so why wood I gif a sheet?"
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Plasma_Wolf » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:59 pm UTC

This sums it up. Sadly it sums it up too accurately for California.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yakk » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:04 pm UTC

ijuin wrote:Yes, seriously, firing live munitions into Mexican territory should technically constitute an act of aggression against Mexico.

So, rules about "acts of war" don't matter when you have the larger military and the other side has no allies of substance.

You can see this in US-Mexico relations and in Russia-Ukraine relations and in France-Haiti relations.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Weeks » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:54 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:Trump: "I've seen it. I've read some of it. It's fine. I don't believe it."
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby idonno » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:07 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG8lgx85u10
Climate change could shrink the US economy by hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the century."


I am not arguing against a need for change but that economic impact portion is pretty weak. If you assume a natural 2% real GDP growth rate a decrease down to 1.985% gets you over $1T by the end of the century. If anyone thinks they have a model that shows the cost reducing greenhouse gas emissions has on the economy to anything approaching that degree of certainty, they are wrong. "Hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the century" isn't a change, it is just noise.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SDK » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:12 pm UTC

Are you reading that as "total loss over the next 80 years"? I don't have time to check into it right now, but the way I read that is that the annual US GDP will be hundreds of billions dollars smaller in the year 2100 than it would be otherwise.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:32 pm UTC

Mueller has reneged on his plea agreement with former Trump associate Paul Manafort. Mueller's team alleges that Manafort has repeatedly and provably lied to the team about various issues relating to the investigation.

I read some interesting speculation that Mueller probably knew all along that Manafort was lying to him, and may have strung him along to gain more evidence against him, and possibly, to further implicate the president or some of his associates, whom Manafort has been in regular contact with since he took the plea deal. Now that Trump has submitted his answers to the investigation's questions, it's possible that we may see a variety of indictments, including against Donald Jr. Mueller may also be using the Manafort agreement as a way to essentially publish his report in open court--submitting the most damning pieces of evidence in the Russia investigation as the explanation for Manafort's lies, rather than submitting a single, final report to Trump's acting attorney general who might be able to suppress it.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zamfir » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:34 pm UTC

SDK wrote:Are you reading that as "total loss over the next 80 years"? I don't have time to check into it right now, but the way I read that is that the annual US GDP will be hundreds of billions dollars smaller in the year 2100 than it would be otherwise.

Hundreds of billions per year is less than noise on that timescale. Crazy, but true.

One hundred billion/year is about half a percent of current US GDP, that's within the prediction uncertainty for next year's gdp, let alone next century's. Just measurement uncertainty over the previous year is easily 50 billion.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:06 pm UTC

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/us/p ... ation.html
Mueller is retracting his plea deal after Manafort deemed a dirty serial liar, (even after the plea deal). I dunno what's going on, Manafort must be hoping for a pardon at this point. You had a good deal, I dunno why you would try to lie to Mueller after pleading guilty to all those crimes.

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SDK wrote:Are you reading that as "total loss over the next 80 years"? I don't have time to check into it right now, but the way I read that is that the annual US GDP will be hundreds of billions dollars smaller in the year 2100 than it would be otherwise.

Hundreds of billions per year is less than noise on that timescale. Crazy, but true.

One hundred billion/year is about half a percent of current US GDP, that's within the prediction uncertainty for next year's gdp, let alone next century's. Just measurement uncertainty over the previous year is easily 50 billion.

Even if the average error is 50 billion, having a consistent 1/2 percent drag on the US economy is measurable, eventually anyway, and very bad. Probably similar in size to maxing out immigration to the US.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby freezeblade » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:53 pm UTC

Trump says U.S. Should launch state TV network to counter CNN
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 0ed1d47e97)

Sounds more like he's a touch upset that even Fox isn't 100% on his side anymore. Isn't this pulled straight from the Dictator playbook? how many of those boxes are checked so far?

Granted, I don't think he could plausably do this, as it would require more than just the executive branch, and the rest of the republicans are much less nationalistic (or, less Trumpian) than he probably thinks.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Link » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:23 am UTC

Most of the times I've thought "he can't plausibly do this" or "the rest of the GOP wouldn't stand for this" have ended in bitter disappointment for me. Just sayin'.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:00 am UTC

So... PBS?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:52 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:So... PBS?

But for conservatives. So scary PBS where illegals thugs, and terrorists lurk around every corner offering gay abortions.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby idonno » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:40 pm UTC

SDK wrote:Are you reading that as "total loss over the next 80 years"? I don't have time to check into it right now, but the way I read that is that the annual US GDP will be hundreds of billions dollars smaller in the year 2100 than it would be otherwise.

I read it as the annual amount by 2100 would be hundreds of billions of dollars. My point was there are costs of any course of action and you have to compare them. You cannot just measure one scenario and determine an impact and there is no way that and annual impact of hundreds of billions of dollars at the end of 82 years is not well within any error bars on that comparison.

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Re: Trump presidency

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CorruptUser wrote:So... PBS?

Maybe they could package PBS and Voice of America into a new Department of Truth, after the fashion of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. I think Congress would need to get involved.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby WriteBrainedJR » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:37 pm UTC

Trump wants to launch state-sponsored, pro-Trump media? This is not surprising, considering that

1. Trump considers himself the United States (as is obvious if you consider the fact that almost everyone Trump labels as a traitor to the US is just not personally loyal to Trump.)

2. Trump was planning on launching a network after the election anyway.

3. Trump has attempted to use the Presidency to enrich himself.

That Trump might use his office to launch Trump TV should not come as a shock. That he would consider it? It'd only be shocking if he didn't.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ijuin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:10 pm UTC

DavidSh wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:So... PBS?

Maybe they could package PBS and Voice of America into a new Department of Truth, after the fashion of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. I think Congress would need to get involved.


May as well add a Department of Love while we are at it.

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Re: Trump presidency

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ijuin wrote:
DavidSh wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:So... PBS?

Maybe they could package PBS and Voice of America into a new Department of Truth, after the fashion of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. I think Congress would need to get involved.


May as well add a Department of Love while we are at it.

State-supplied prostitutes for all? Not at taxpayers' expense, of course. Just mandatory service from all women.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby idonno » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:59 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
ijuin wrote:
DavidSh wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:So... PBS?

Maybe they could package PBS and Voice of America into a new Department of Truth, after the fashion of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. I think Congress would need to get involved.


May as well add a Department of Love while we are at it.

State-supplied prostitutes for all? Not at taxpayers' expense, of course. Just mandatory service from all women.

Do straight women and gay men not get male prostitutes?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby freezeblade » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:01 pm UTC

idonno wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:
ijuin wrote:
DavidSh wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:So... PBS?

Maybe they could package PBS and Voice of America into a new Department of Truth, after the fashion of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. I think Congress would need to get involved.


May as well add a Department of Love while we are at it.

State-supplied prostitutes for all? Not at taxpayers' expense, of course. Just mandatory service from all women.

Do straight women and gay men not get male prostitutes?

Of course not, Trump doesn't value woman's needs/wants, never mind LGBT ones.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ijuin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:27 pm UTC

Department of Truth, Department of Love, Department of Peace, and Department of Plenty.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:48 pm UTC

Student deferrals for girls with rich daddies, of course. Whether those daddies are bio or sugar...

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Weeks » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:47 pm UTC

I like how easy it is to spitball degenerate shit in this thread. Like, you aren't forced to stoop to trump's level you know.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Weeks » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:52 pm UTC

https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/ ... 4131126272

NEW: Donald Trump Jr. testified to Congress that the Trump Organization's negotiations to develop a Trump Tower Moscow ended at the end of 2014. But that conflicts with Michael Cohen, who said in a guilty plea the negotiations continued well into 2016.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby bbluewi » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:49 pm UTC

Democrats are already preparing House Resolution 1, a sweeping proposal for anti-corruption and electoral reform, with plans to have it ready on January 3.

Probably the best choice among the "this will never pass" options available to make a campaign issue out of for 2020, given all the "drain the swamp" nonsense.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:49 pm UTC

What could stop Trump from getting on a plane and going to Russia and just staying there today? If he is in collusion with the Russian government to cause as much damage as possible before leaving ("Cleared... thank you") so when it's shown that he engaged in treason maybe his supporters view him leaving the country as an incitement to riot against the government or something because he was "cleared"? At this point they might view him working with russia as a good thing no matter what. Even if he is then immediately installed as an oligarch. Just wondering about this stuff. Probably just paranoid.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Plasma_Wolf » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:57 pm UTC

It is a good hypothetical situation to think about. I think that he can just hop on Air Force 1, demand to be flown to Moscow and then it happens. He can probably find a loyal pilot somewhere, who will fly him there no matter what.

The biggest problem in this hypothetical scenario is probably his own ideas about how great he is. Someone that narcissistic will probably not realize he has to run until it's too late.

Technically a president can run away faster than anyone else, the biggest question is if it's too fast for his political opponents to take power and stop him before he's out of reach. With 'political opponents' I mean people who want him stopped at that point, rather than whoever is opposing him now for whatever reason. It's not unfeasible that there are Republicans who want to stop him from running away, but I don't think they can get enough support soon enough, and I also think that the next in line (Pence) is one of them.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Prefanity » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:28 am UTC

There's no reason for him to go anywhere, seeing as how he's functionally above the law as long as Congress won't impeach him. Even then, I'm not totally convinced he'd be convicted anyway; America isn't exactly good at prosecuting white collar criminals, particularly former chief executives.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ucim » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:53 pm UTC

If it turns out that the Trump (really the Trump/Pence) campaign illegally influenced the campaign, with or without Russia, where does this leave Pence? He's just as much a beneficiary as Trump in this, inasmuch as it would have gotten him illegally elected to the second most powerful position in the country. He's been sitting back very quietly, but it's not out of the question that he knew about all that was going down too.

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