1103: "Nine"

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1103: "Nine"

Postby asdfzxc » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:01 am UTC

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Alt-text: "FYI: If you get curious and start trying to calculate the time adjustment function that minimizes the gap between the most-used and least-used digit (for a representative sample of common cook times) without without altering any time by more than 10%, and someone asks you what you're doing, it's easier to just lie."

Who the hell actually enters 1:30?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:03 am UTC

Nine is the loneliest number that you'll ever zap?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby FormicaArchonis » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:04 am UTC

"without without"?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby TomRobbins » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:06 am UTC

I strictly use palindromes when setting microwave times. It cooks everything more evenly.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby winampman » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:07 am UTC

6, 7, and 8 are fairly neglected too. You are not forgotten, 6, 7, and 8.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby davidhbrown » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:09 am UTC

I like entering "99" when I want about a minute and a half. Probably doesn't work on all microwaves, but it's a bit faster to type. "888" sort of works as a very rough approximation for 10 minutes (good for reheating pizza on a convection setting). I admit I won't use "666".

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Eebster the Great » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:15 am UTC

davidhbrown wrote:I like entering "99" when I want about a minute and a half. Probably doesn't work on all microwaves, but it's a bit faster to type. "888" sort of works as a very rough approximation for 10 minutes (good for reheating pizza on a convection setting). I admit I won't use "666".

I use 99 all the time, or sometimes 90.

888 seconds is 14 minutes, 48 seconds. I guess you meant 15 minutes, not 10.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby The Old Wolf » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:16 am UTC

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby davidhbrown » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:28 am UTC

Eebster the Great wrote:888 seconds is 14 minutes, 48 seconds.

True, but pressing the 8 key three times on my microwave gets me 8 minutes, 88 seconds. Each digit press is always the seconds place, moving those already entered to the left in H:MM:SS (not sure if it actually has an hour digit; it might, given that it doubles as a convection oven).

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Viking67 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:29 am UTC

I've used :90 ever since I realized it was quicker than typing 1:30. I'm also intrigued by the fact that, on my microwave anyway, you can type illogical values like "1:90" and it just counts down from there (passing values like 1:64) to 1:59 and just keeps going like nothing ever happened. Here's to you, microwave. You're a champ.

Anyway, apparently I'm easily amused.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby guwa » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:43 am UTC

davidhbrown wrote:I like entering "99" when I want about a minute and a half. Probably doesn't work on all microwaves, but it's a bit faster to type. "888" sort of works as a very rough approximation for 10 minutes (good for reheating pizza on a convection setting). I admit I won't use "666".
This. I have to say that the most neglected number on my microwave is zero, just because I always use intentionally weird values for the hell of it.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby SomeGuyNamedDavid » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:55 am UTC

Now what can be put in the microwave to justify 99 minutes and 99 seconds, I wonder...?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Dopefish » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:10 am UTC

My microwave has a button for 10 minutes, 1 minute, 10 seconds, and 1 second (and only these, I can't just type in a number as in the comic). I can push the 10 second button up to 9 times before it just loops around to 0 again, so I'll frequently do things like 1 minute and 90 seconds for 2 minutes 30, but that poor 1 second button must be incredably underused now that I think about it.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby RebeccaRGB » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:22 am UTC

My mom uses repdigits (1:11, 2:22, 3:33, 11:11, etc.) for microwave times all the time, and I think it's weird. So I'll use times like 4:22, 6:33, 11:55, etc. because I find myself copying my mom's weirdness against my will, and I might as well put a spin on it.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby FormicaArchonis » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:25 am UTC

Dopefish wrote:but that poor 1 second button must be incredably underused now that I think about it.


Not surprising. How many things go from under- to overcooked in less than ten seconds?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby bmonk » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:30 am UTC

Besides, 2:00 is an odd time--you have to find the 0 after hitting 2. going 1:59 has the numbers all in a row.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Draco18s » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:37 am UTC

Back in the yonder days of mine childhood, we wore out the buttons on our microwave.

First the zero.

Then the 1.

Then the 9, if I recall correctly.

Then the 2.

Followed shortly by the 5, 6, and 8.

It got to the point where we were having trouble zapping anything with a time even remotely resembling the intended value.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby JimsMaher » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:50 am UTC

I like to make the numbers add up to ten.
Instead of one minute ... 55 seconds, or 64.
One and a half minutes could be ... 1:27, 1:36, or :91

About ten years ago, I was a bored photo lab tech fiddling with the 'Levels' tool in Photoshop, that's when the sum-to-ten thing came from.
I rationalized the method with the absurd notion that it was vaguely base 9.
10, 19, 28, 37, etc ... 91,100, 109, and so on ... exceptions for if it ends in a zero, or is less than |9|, though at that level I would only increment by one anyway, or snap it to zero.
An approximate method for approximate numbers.

I still casually use this quasi-method for fussing with approximate numbers.
Or when microwaving ... just repeatedly punch in the same number until the "correct" value is approximated.
... ... The "Quick Minute" button works too. 1:00
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby hthall » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:51 am UTC

Viking67 wrote:I've used :90 ever since I realized it was quicker than typing 1:30. I'm also intrigued by the fact that, on my microwave anyway, you can type illogical values like "1:90" and it just counts down from there (passing values like 1:64) to 1:59 and just keeps going like nothing ever happened. Here's to you, microwave. You're a champ.

Anyway, apparently I'm easily amused.


I always enter something like 1:87. The fact that the microwave cheerfully counts down from such a value without questioning or complaining is one of the ways it fails the Turing test.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby RJFerret » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:54 am UTC

Just one spin of the dial for me regardless of duration, analog for the win!

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby ManaUser » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:15 am UTC

I've found that (in my particular microwave) 99 seconds a good length of time to heat a mug of water.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Linux0s » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:40 am UTC

Almost as neglected as the pizza preset button (power setting: vulcanize).
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby mdistancerunner » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:46 am UTC

asdfzxc wrote:Alt-text: "FYI: If you get curious and start trying to calculate the time adjustment function that minimizes the gap between the most-used and least-used digit (for a representative sample of common cook times) without without altering any time by more than 10%, and someone asks you what you're doing, it's easier to just lie."


I'm surprised that no one commented on the typo?

EDIT: okay, FormicaArchonis did in a two word post I read past.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Dingbats » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:50 am UTC

RJFerret wrote:Just one spin of the dial for me regardless of duration, analog for the win!

Yes, and I'm amazed everyone in here has buttons. I can't remember when I last saw a microwave with buttons. Even the modern high-tech microwave at my parents' has a dial (with a digital display showing the time).

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby deskjethp » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:28 am UTC

I do this all the time with 7 8 and 9. I am so glad I'm not the only one. 87 seconds for pizzas....
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby ryzvonusef (1151717) » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:52 am UTC

Mine has a knob on it, rotating it moves the time up on increments of five :wink:

So SUCK IT, final digits not 0 or 5! :D

Besides, I don't use the knob, I just use the handy "30-sec:Full power" button and press twice for 1 minute.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby JeromeWest » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:12 am UTC

hthall wrote:I always enter something like 1:87. The fact that the microwave cheerfully counts down from such a value without questioning or complaining is one of the ways it fails the Turing test.


I'd be too worried that unexpected (and likely untested) input like that might cause the microwave to go into killer mode.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby AvatarIII » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:22 am UTC

my microwave has an analogue dial for time...

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:36 am UTC

Mine's a touchpad with digits, a "one minute" button that allows multiple presses, and half a dozen presets that I never use because they don't seem to correspond to anything in the real world. Because entering a time with digits requires that I first push the "Time Cook" button, my preferred times are:

Cook-4-4 and Cook-5-5: one egg. The shorter time is for scrambled. Also for every increment after the first when nuking pasta (have to keep opening the oven and stirring to keep it from burning or boiling over).

Minute.

Cook-8-8 and Cook-9-9: anything already cooked that needs a little more than a minute.

Minute-Minute: most microwaveable pre-packaged breakfast and lunch items.

Cook-2-2-2: First increment when nuking pasta. Also pre-packaged stuff that starts off well-frozen.

Cook-3-3-3: boil a cup of water for oatmeal or other hot cereal.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:37 am UTC

Dingbats wrote:
RJFerret wrote:Just one spin of the dial for me regardless of duration, analog for the win!

Yes, and I'm amazed everyone in here has buttons. I can't remember when I last saw a microwave with buttons. Even the modern high-tech microwave at my parents' has a dial (with a digital display showing the time).

Same here. It must be a geographical thing.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Max™ » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:47 am UTC

My microwave has a button for +30 seconds on it, I hit that enough times to cook most things unless the value is like 5 minutes, and a rule of thumb: if the package wants you to microwave it for 5 minutes or more, and you've never made it before, it'll be a miracle if it's edible.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby x86 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:47 am UTC

Mine has a digital incremental rotary encoder which is used to enter the time. Turning the knob increments in steps of 10 seconds on the digital display.

Then you just push the knob to start the microwave.

(Oh, first of all you have to select the power).

So unfortunately, I can't really use "weird" times.
Another problem is that upon pushing the knob to start, you often slightly turn it over one increment step of the encoder so if you want e.g. 2:30 you often actually end up with 2:40 or 2:20.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby slimeone » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:00 am UTC

Max™ wrote: rule of thumb: if the package wants you to microwave it for 5 minutes or more, and you've never made it before, it'll be a miracle if it's edible.


on a low setting it will probably be nicely cooked, but on a low setting you might as well use a regular oven. Microwaves should be reserved for 'nuking' things and having fun - there are other things that can be put in microwaves instead of food.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby shylocxs » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:02 am UTC

Heidegger would have loved this, the old Nazi.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby MTGradwell » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:07 am UTC

It can be very dangerous to eat undercooked microwave meals. Instead of entering 1:59 you should enter 2:09, if you want to exercise the 9. If the food comes out burnt, at least that's safer than it being undercooked.

Alternatively enter 1:59 but then press the +1 second button, or give it an extra second immediately on completion of cooking. :=)

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby AvatarIII » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:24 am UTC

MTGradwell wrote:It can be very dangerous to eat undercooked microwave meals. Instead of entering 1:59 you should enter 2:09, if you want to exercise the 9. If the food comes out burnt, at least that's safer than it being undercooked.

Alternatively enter 1:59 but then press the +1 second button, or give it an extra second immediately on completion of cooking. :=)


I doubt one second will make much difference, considering a lot of microwave heating instructions on food only give instructions for one power level of microwave, and then just tell you to modify the heating times yourself for different power ratings.
My microwave, as I said before, has an analogue dial for time, and it's not even accurate to the nearest second, the dial doesn't even have graduations for anything smaller than 1 minute, it's probably only accurate the the nearest 15 seconds... maybe.
I have to use my kitchen clock, or a timer on my watch or phone for accurate heating times.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby WalksOnDirt » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:31 am UTC

Yes, nine is probably the key I use most, but most everything is repeated digits. One annoyance, though, is that the microwave turntable rotates once for every ten seconds, so after 55 seconds it is exactly the wrong way around from when I put the food in.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby anrieff » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:31 am UTC

My microwave uses an "analog" pot to set time, but to compensate, I never set up my morning alarm to an "exact" hour. I'd never dial in 9:00, it would be 8:57 or 9:09, or anything in the vicinity. I thought I was the only one doing this, but it turns out it is quite a common pattern. It seems that we, people, are disgusted by mathematical accuracy, and we view ourselves as some kind of rebels by setting our clocks to odd times. I guess the character in the comic feels much the same way.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Al-pocalypse » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:36 am UTC

Aye, my microwave has even done away with the 1 and 5 seconds, it only has buttons for 10s, 1m, 10m. To be honest I've never used the 10m button, have never known anything needing longer than 4 minutes in the microwave in a single blast.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby mikrit » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:39 am UTC

The poor number 9 is underused as the leading digit of almost any measurement.

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